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[mdjak1]

In case you are not yet aware: http://brutusmotorcycle.com/brutusV9.html

33.7kWh and DC fast charging, if you can afford it.  I wish I could.

Also firmly in the vaporware category.

Seems pretty real.  Stupidly expensive, too.

-Crissa

Look at the rear shots in that video @ 2:52 and 2:56.  Ridiculously huge brick of a battery on each side of the bike.  Must be the 33.7 kWh pack that weighs 886 lbs.   I wonder how many they have actually built?   

[Crissa]

Only takes one to not be vapor.  Especially when they're not promising lots more.

-Crissa

[mdjak1]

Only takes one to not be vapor.  Especially when they're not promising lots more.

-Crissa

Bold above is the only thing that makes this true.   Lots of manufacturers make single concept or preproduction vehicle and then don't follow through or take far too long to bring an actual product to market.  Take Tesla and their Cybertruck for example.   Musk first introduced it in April 2013.    It now looks like actual volume production will be 10 years from that date.   And almost 4 years since they took deposits.   

https://www.autonews.com/article/20130410/RETAIL07/130419986/musk-tesla-could-build-second-plant-in-texas#axzz2Q8x1rttY

[Crissa]

It's not vapor is they have one.

Vapor means it doesn't exist at all.

-Crissa

[princec]

Semi-corporeal then

Cas

[Richtea]

1. Vaporware - they can talk about it
2. Protoware - they can ride it
3. Prodware - I can buy one & get it serviced by a dealer

The step from 1 to 2 is big, the step from 2 to 3 is enormous.

If I'm not wrong, Damon is just embarking on step 2, with the rolling protoype only moving around 20-30mph tops.
Or maybe I missed a full-throttle video?

[Crissa]

Damon and Brutus seem firmly in step 2, yeah.  Getting to a bike we can buy, well, the two are trying to take different paths to step 3.  Damon is trying to be a manufacturer, Brutus is making bespoke bikes.  Brutus's path is simpler, the goals aren't as lofty.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

Where does Lightning fall on this scale?

[Richard230]

Where does Lightning fall on this scale?

Perhaps Lightning fell off of the scale. 

[Richtea]

Damon and Brutus seem firmly in step 2, yeah.  Getting to a bike we can buy, well, the two are trying to take different paths to step 3.  Damon is trying to be a manufacturer, Brutus is making bespoke bikes.  Brutus's path is simpler, the goals aren't as lofty.

-Crissa

Spot on. Maybe I missed an evolutionary stage:
1. Vaporware - they can talk about it
2. Protoware - they can ride it
2.5 Bespokeware - I can buy one, but only one garage/team knows how to fix it
3. Prodware - I can buy one & get it serviced by a dealer

I'd hazard that stage 2.5 almost never blossoms into 3 - that was never in a plan.
Which is fine, and well done Brutus for getting further than Damon. 

[Crissa]

Lots of bespoke bikes.  Lightning is definitely in the wrong for trying to masquerade bespoke bikes as production.

-Crissa

Yeah, Brutus has been doing it for a decade longer.

[T.S. Zarathustra]

I have understood vaporware (outside the software industry) to be product that was announced, maybe some prototypes built, journalists allowed to test prototypes, even some examples sold. But never (or only handful of examples*) delivered to Joe Public regular customers. 

*Not to be confused with predetermined limited production run products.

[Crissa]

Vaporware is product that doesn't exist, no working prototypes.

-Crissa

[T.S. Zarathustra]

Wikipedia has yet another opinion.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"In the computer industry, vaporware (or vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is late or never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles."

[Crissa]

With software, not manufactured usually means it never worked to begin with.  Because in software you do have to sell what you can do before you do it to deliver it.

-Crissa