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[DonTom]

Since Evo is the Gen2 rain mode, shouldn't it have less throttle regen?

-Crissa

Perhaps true in a rain mode.  I have never used the rain mode in my Energica--not even when it rained on me a few different times. But with it, I can put max regen even in the rain mode. It's a separate selection with Energica. I don't know about bikes I don't own, but as a general rule, more regen is wanted at slower speeds and none or very little at higher speeds.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[UlsterZero]

My app keeps complaining about not being able to download the new firmware and the file is corrupt (iOS). Is this just my bad luck or is it a common issue?

I was seeing those messages about a week before I was actually able to download and install it.  I just figured Zero hadn't finished updating their servers with the new software yet.

Uninstalled the app and still seeing it. Guess I'll need the dealer to upgrade it if I'm going to get it at all.

I get the same file corrupt message when I try to update the firmware too - it's been like that for the last 3-4 weeks at least.  There's probably a different file for each model year, and one or more of them may not have been uploaded to the server properly.  I have a 2017 SR, if anyone has been able to successfully update the firmware on one of these to the new version, let me know...

Ulster Zero

[dalamario]

I get the same file corrupt message when I try to update the firmware too - it's been like that for the last 3-4 weeks at least.  There's probably a different file for each model year, and one or more of them may not have been uploaded to the server properly.  I have a 2017 SR, if anyone has been able to successfully update the firmware on one of these to the new version, let me know...

Ulster Zero

I think it's more related to IOS vs Android as I had the same file corrupt error on my iphone but I was able to download it and update my MY18 FXS with my android phone. I tested both phones the same day.

[UlsterZero]

I get the same file corrupt message when I try to update the firmware too - it's been like that for the last 3-4 weeks at least.  There's probably a different file for each model year, and one or more of them may not have been uploaded to the server properly.  I have a 2017 SR, if anyone has been able to successfully update the firmware on one of these to the new version, let me know...

Ulster Zero

I think it's more related to IOS vs Android as I had the same file corrupt error on my iphone but I was able to download it and update my MY18 FXS with my android phone. I tested both phones the same day.

Thanks dalamario,

I can confirm it's definitely an iOS issue.  I borrowed an old Android phone, and was able to update the firmware no problem. 

Ulster Zero

[Jan Wespelaar]

Huh, throttle regen on my bike is higher on Sport than Eco on my bike...

-Crissa

Does this behaviour has been witnessed by other Zero users of Gen2 bikes. As already mentioned, isn't logic nor fun to have high regen in the sport modes. Its a reason for avoiding this firmware update as het V33 version hadn't this effet, or at least not on my FXS 2020 bike.

If others could verify this on their bikes if they have already implemented the update it would be important information to all others as I do suppose I'm not the only one prefering 0.0% regen in sport mode to allow maximum control.

Jan

[princec]

I find that regen feels best when it mimics a "real" engine, ie. a bit of engine braking whenever the throttle is fully closed, because that's the kind of bikes I've had for the last 30 years (no 2 strokes since I was a kid). It also helps to have some braking going on at the rear to keep the bike steady when trail braking.

Cas

[JaimeC]

Cas nailed it.  I can think of no reason NOT to have full regen on coasting.  For the umpteenth time I find myself mentioning that regen only kicks in when you roll the throttle off to the STOP.  If you hold it off of the stop, regen never kicks in and you coast.  You can easily verify this for yourself by just looking at the dash.  This behavior is even documented in the user manual but I'm getting the impression NOBODY reads the manual anymore.

Keeping that in mind, I find "Sport Mode" to be useless and I never use it.  I use my "Custom" mode for most of my riding (everything set to 100%) and use "Eco" on the highway as a "Poor Man's Cruise Control" as I can keep the throttle pinned open and cruise along at 70mph... more than fast enough for where I live (where the legal speed limit is only 55mph; not that anyone pays attention to that).

[reini]

I second that! I don't own a Zero but I still like a medium amount of regen. I'm also coming from riding 4 cylinders, so I like the feeling it emulates. Maybe people who don't like that never rode ICE bikes?

[Richard230]

I have tried sport and eco modes and still prefer my custom mode set to coasting with the throttle closed. I might add that I have read my entire manual several times just so I don't forget anything.  But for my type of riding, I do a lot of coasting and find that it is easier for me to just shut the throttle completely, instead of trying to hold it at a certain neutral position just above off.

I grew up riding two-stroke motorcycles and am used to not having the engine slow down the vehicle on over-run. In fact, my first car was a DKW Junior, which was powered by an 800cc three-cylinder engine and had a free-wheeling one-way clutch that disconnected from the drive train when you took your foot off of the accelerator.  The ultimate in "slipper" clutches.   

One thing that I have noticed on my 2018 S is that there is very little difference between full-regen when in Sport or Eco mode when braking. But the regen effect is noticeably greater when set to 100% in the Custom mode.   

[JaimeC]

I still prefer using the regen to slow approaching turns or a red light.  Converting that kinetic energy into electricity for use later makes more sense than wasting it as heat and black dust.  It also saves wear and tear on the brake pads so I don't have to replace them as often.  To each his own.

I've only owned/ridden one two-stroke, a Kawasaki KE100 dual-purpose bike.  I'm far more familiar with high-compression four-strokes.  To me, a Zero on full-regen feels more like coasting than one of those with the throttle off.

[princec]

I find 40%-50% regen feels most like a twin cylinder (my favourite configuration). 100% is a bit too much for me as the "dead zone" between true coasting and 100% regen is very very small and hard to mete out precisely with the wrist, so I prefer the more natural feel of 40% or so as even though it's slightly more wasteful - and it really is slight! - it's a better feel to me. And I wouldn't want to rely on the Bosch electronics to deal with rear-wheel lockups in slippery conditions just from shutting the throttle which I suspect is just as abrupt going the other way as the way EVs lose traction on acceleration.

Cas

[Richard230]

What I do is to just barely touch my front brake lever so that the tail light comes on but the brakes are not slowing down the bike. Then I let the 100% braking regen slow me down when needed. I won't use my brakes unless I need to slow down faster than that.

[Kill3rT0fu]

I get the same file corrupt message when I try to update the firmware too - it's been like that for the last 3-4 weeks at least.  There's probably a different file for each model year, and one or more of them may not have been uploaded to the server properly.  I have a 2017 SR, if anyone has been able to successfully update the firmware on one of these to the new version, let me know...

Ulster Zero

I think it's more related to IOS vs Android as I had the same file corrupt error on my iphone but I was able to download it and update my MY18 FXS with my android phone. I tested both phones the same day.

Thanks dalamario,

I can confirm it's definitely an iOS issue.  I borrowed an old Android phone, and was able to update the firmware no problem. 

Ulster Zero

Just grabbed my old android, it looks like it tries to downlaod firmware but I just get the spinning donut of doom. I swear it's just my luck in this universe. Nothing works for me.

[DonTom]

Cas nailed it.  I can think of no reason NOT to have full regen on coasting.

I fully realize we can simply turn everything to the very max and control everything from the throttle, such as speed, regen, acceleration.


The only control we really need  is the throttle when every possible option  is set for max.  All the buttons and configurations do is to force limits on what we can do.


But . . .


I like the feel of the throttle much better with regen limited while  on the freeway and I like the Eco mode for the same reason when on city streets.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

I do the same as Richard.  I have it set the to amount that works best on the hills I ride.  I only shift to Sport when entering the freeway, overtaking, or coming down hills behind traffic or curvier hills I want to do trailbraking on.

I ride 90% of the time with 100% braking regen, 5% throttle.

-Crissa