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MrMogensen

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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2021, 03:56:50 AM »

Don => Epic!
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 06:27:59 AM »

Don => Epic!
Ever hear of Vetter Fairings?


I think that bike was Morgan's (active here).  IIRC , and his father owned Vetter Fairings.

IIRC, that Fairing did have the name Vetter on it.

I am sure Morgan can tell you more. I am not even sure if I remember it all correctly.

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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 08:29:03 AM »


What in the world is that to the left? Is than an Energica fitted with a gigantic aerokit?  :)

The streamlined bike is Alan Smith's 17 EVA w/13.4 battery.
Range is at least 100 miles. I don't think he's ever tested the max range.
To charge, the top box pivots quickly backward on a hinge.
All of the body work detaches fairly quickly.
To say he's talented is clearly an understatement.
One might ask - Is it finished? Answer - Alan will always be making improvements thus it'll never be finished.
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2021, 08:45:32 AM »

The streamlined bike is Alan Smith's 17 EVA w/13.4 battery.
Range is at least 100 miles. I don't think he's ever tested the max range.
To charge, the top box pivots quickly backward on a hinge.
All of the body work detaches fairly quickly.
To say he's talented is clearly an understatement.
One might ask - Is it finished? Answer - Alan will always be making improvements thus it'll never be finished.
Oh yeah, I recall talking to Alan about it for a few seconds. I thought I recall the "Vetter" name on a bike's faring  there. Did it or another bike have the "Vetter" name on it?


My memory must be  getting poor in my old age!


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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2021, 12:27:55 AM »

It seems like the deeper discharges and chargers heat the batter faster. One 2%-98% charge and it started charging at only 8 or 10kW right off the bat. It can do a few 20-80% charges and still be doing 12-15kW it seems like however.

Horrible cross country Ribelle video with lots of charge stops. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd6P7zdCLnaNSbVaKqi8dMMEgSTv0nMwX
« Last Edit: August 09, 2021, 02:41:59 AM by nevetsyad »
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2021, 07:41:15 AM »

It seems like the deeper discharges and chargers heat the batter faster.

This is normal - your observations and documented trials are appreciated.

Horrible cross country Ribelle video with lots of charge stops.

Thoroughly enjoyed the good the bad and the uglies of your travels...glad to see you made it safe, how did the rear tire fair?
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2021, 09:08:50 AM »

Thoroughly enjoyed the good the bad and the uglies of your travels...glad to see you made it safe, how did the rear tire fair?
I am finding my front tire to wear at least twice as fast as my rear on my SS9. But perhaps because the rear brake pedal is weird, down way too low. I probably get more front brake than rear most of the time.


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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2021, 07:33:38 PM »

Thoroughly enjoyed the good the bad and the uglies of your travels...glad to see you made it safe, how did the rear tire fair?
I am finding my front tire to wear at least twice as fast as my rear on my SS9. But perhaps because the rear brake pedal is weird, down way too low. I probably get more front brake than rear most of the time.


-Don-  Reno, NV

That was my experience with the original Pirelli Diablo Rosso II front tire that came on my Zero S with Power Tank. I chalked that up to the extra 42 pound weight and forward location of the PT.  Plus, I also almost always use only my front brake for normal slowing. Since then I am using a more street-oriented tire and using a 2 psi higher tire pressure than recommended by Zero. I think I have that front tire wear under better control now even though I haven't changed my braking habits.
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2021, 07:55:11 PM »

That was my experience with the original Pirelli Diablo Rosso II front tire that came on my Zero S with Power Tank. I chalked that up to the extra 42 pound weight and forward location of the PT.  Plus, I also almost always use only my front brake for normal slowing. Since then I am using a more street-oriented tire and using a 2 psi higher tire pressure than recommended by Zero. I think I have that front tire wear under better control now even though I haven't changed my braking habits.
It seems to be the norm these days that the front wears out the fastest. Not only on my Energica and Zero SR with PT, but also on my Triumph Trophy SE.


The exception for me has been the DS tires, such as on my Zero DS and Moto Guzzi Stelvio where the front tire will last a little longer than the rear,  or about the same.


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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2021, 12:19:27 AM »

Does anyone know if Energica is working on improving charge rates?

Been seeing a few videos pop up online of the 21kwh batteries having really crippled charge rates after any sort of lengthy riding in mildly warm weather.
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2022, 01:55:10 AM »

Does anyone know if Energica is working on improving charge rates?

Been seeing a few videos pop up online of the 21kwh batteries having really crippled charge rates after any sort of lengthy riding in mildly warm weather.

It would not make much sense when they warm up so fast :(
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Re: Charging temps
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2022, 01:19:16 PM »

On Facebook one of the recently replaced 21.5 batteries showed some differences in the side plates and the bottom cover. Could be related to heat management. Just speculation at this point.

The yellow icon shows when max battery temp reaches 41 degrees Celsius.
Charge speed drops around 36 degrees Celsius. This graph shows the relation



Worst I've seen is 7 kW charging after around 700 km riding. In summer (typically 20 to 30 degrees ambient) the problem is that the battery keeps building up heat because in between charges it doesn't get to cool down enough. For summer the only solution so far is to ride as long as possible between charges. That translates to no highway to maximize range, but in the end isn't faster because of the lower average speed.

In winter time (typically -5 to 5 degrees ambient) it does drop in between charges and I can keep riding and charging. Only done that for 400 km a day so far. When I travel I try to stay around 400 km a day anyway. Especially when you ride day after day that is already quite a distance.

System keeps track of min and max temp. Max temp is what is monitored here. I had a blue icon once but forgot to check the min temp at that time. It's below 10 degrees Celsius for sure. And I rarely see it because the bike is parked inside and once you ride the battery heats up. On highways you get a nice 25 degrees operating temp even when it's only 5 degrees ambient.

They've extended the liquid cooling from the inverter to the motor recently. If they would do that to the battery we're golden. I would personally prefer that over extra capacity in the next developments. If the heat is managed we should in theory also be able to use more of the capacity anyway. So we might get both :D.
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