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[Hansi]

Will this make it into the MY 2022 https://pushevs.com/2021/04/11/farasis-energy-reaches-330-wh-kg-with-new-battery-cell/ ?
What would it mean in terms of battery capacity?
Faster charging speed, DC option?

[NEW2elec]

Most of the time new technology has a much longer time table than expected.
I would say Benz would get the first batches unless they want Zero to be the guinea pig.

[valnar]

Another article about it.  This would bump the 7.2 models up to ~ 9kWh.
https://www.electrive.com/2021/03/26/new-farasis-battery-cells-offer-25-more-range/

The key take away is this phrase, "the new battery technology enables fast charging from 10 to 80% SoC in less than 20 minutes"

Well yeah...only if Zero bundles a charger that takes advantage of that.

[Crissa]

Or it includes a series of contactors to swap the order of cell strings so that you could DC charge...

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

CCS requires a 300V battery minimum.  Since Zero uses a 100V battery, unless they've made some serious engineering changes for the motor and controller you're not likely to see CCS in MY 2022.  Think more like "evolution" rather than "revolution."

I'll be happy to see the SR/S in red...

[NEW2elec]

I have heard of "maybe" a DC-DC converter being used to up the voltage to what is needed.

[MVetter]

CCS requires a 200V battery minimum. 

fixed

[JaimeC]

CCS requires a 200V battery minimum. 

fixed

Really?  Everything I'd seen previously said 300V.  I'll take your word for it.

[Crissa]

I have heard of "maybe" a DC-DC converter being used to up the voltage to what is needed.

That would not work.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Really?  Everything I'd seen previously said 300V.  I'll take your word for it.

See page 5 here.


"In general, CCS charger can deliver up to 350 Amps at a voltage of between 200 to 1000V giving a maximum power output of 350 kW."


-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I have heard of "maybe" a DC-DC converter being used to up the voltage to what is needed.

That would not work.

-Crissa

Be sure to tell them that here on page two.


"Then, the power control unit appropriately adjusts the voltage and current of the DC/DC converter inside the charging station to control the variable DC power delivered to charge the battery."

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

"In general, CCS charger can deliver up to 350 Amps at a voltage of between 200 to 1000V giving a maximum power output of 350 kW."

Most stations are 200-500vdc output. The 350kW ones are usually like 1 out of every 4. More of them are going in every day, but the existing infrastructure is, for the most part, 200-500.

The LiveWire, for example, operates between 250-300vdc; it would not work if the cutoff was 300. Energica bikes, also, operate between 280-330vdc and would have the same problem.

[NEW2elec]

Skip to the 20:00 mark for the DC-DC info or listen to the whole thing because it's fun.

https://soundcloud.com/thedrivenpodcast/the-future-of-electric-bikes

[Crissa]

I have heard of "maybe" a DC-DC converter being used to up the voltage to what is needed.

That would not work.

Be sure to tell them that

That doesn't contradict me.

-Crissa

[DerKrawallkeks]

@ JamieC, you answered to Crissa that DC charging is not possible because the battery is only 100V, but that's exactly what he addressed in his post above:) he said a set of contactors would be needed to change the arrangement of the cells to achieve higher voltage. Zero batteries are 28S4P, (28 series 4 parallel, so in total 112 cells). With contactors it could be changed to 56S2P for example, or even 112S1P, giving 400V.

Not practical of course;) but possible