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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #90 on: June 18, 2021, 10:56:37 AM »

Two reasons: I want to be able to control the charge rate so I can charge at the max speed from a single J-station using my 2.5 kW CT + 1.3 kW OBC + Elcon. If a station can only do 6.6 kW I need to dial back, but if it can handle 7.2 then I want to be able to take full advantage.

Also, I want to make sure I don’t exceed 1C when using 2 x Elcons, the OBC, and the CT all together from two J-plugs or a Tesla Destination Charger. I’ll be dancing very close to the 104A limit for my 13.0 battery and I would hate to spend the money and then find out that I miscalculated and won’t be able to charge at the full 10.x kW.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2021, 12:11:40 PM »

Two reasons: I want to be able to control the charge rate so I can charge at the max speed from a single J-station using my 2.5 kW CT + 1.3 kW OBC + Elcon. If a station can only do 6.6 kW I need to dial back, but if it can handle 7.2 then I want to be able to take full advantage.

Also, I want to make sure I don’t exceed 1C when using 2 x Elcons, the OBC, and the CT all together from two J-plugs or a Tesla Destination Charger. I’ll be dancing very close to the 104A limit for my 13.0 battery and I would hate to spend the money and then find out that I miscalculated and won’t be able to charge at the full 10.x kW.
On my 2017SR, I adjust mine manually, see here, reply number 31.


At home, I can charge up to ~12 KW, by adding in four DeltaQs, but that is too much stuff to bring for the road. 8KW I can live with on a road trip. 


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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2021, 08:24:13 PM »

I could do that using the J-1772 -> 3 x 5-15R TusconEV adapter by just not plugging in the CT and get 7.9 kW, but I just can't accept 7.9 when I can have 10.4 with a little extra effort and investment. I've already been stuck charging once when it was late at night and I just wanted to get home. An extra 2.5 kW would have been much appreciated in a circumstance like that.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2021, 08:55:01 PM »

Also, I want to make sure I don’t exceed 1C when using 2 x Elcons, the OBC, and the CT all together from two J-plugs or a Tesla Destination Charger. I’ll be dancing very close to the 104A limit for my 13.0 battery and I would hate to spend the money and then find out that I miscalculated and won’t be able to charge at the full 10.x kW.
Have you had any issue with the 16KW Tesla Destination stations shutting down in around  ten minutes and turning red, needing a reset?


See my last two Zero check-in here,  for an example.  I am curious about what causes it. It is fine with other models of Tesla Destination stations, that are for lower power.


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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2021, 09:46:06 PM »

Not yet. I still need to acquire the second Elcon charger before it makes sense to buy a Tesla Tap.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2021, 11:13:09 PM »

ot yet. I still need to acquire the second Elcon charger before it makes sense to buy a Tesla Tap.
Why is that? I don't see what one has to do with the other.


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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2021, 04:54:50 AM »

Now that you mention it, I guess it doesn't. :)
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2021, 09:31:20 PM »

Would anyone be nice enough to help me with the non canbus charger wiring? Apparently the unit I bought is non canbus but didn't come with the pigtail that connects the 4 pin connector to the green wire, and I'm not sure what wires to put together to turn the charger on.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #98 on: July 02, 2021, 10:15:08 PM »

Would anyone be nice enough to help me with the non canbus charger wiring? Apparently the unit I bought is non canbus but didn't come with the pigtail that connects the 4 pin connector to the green wire, and I'm not sure what wires to put together to turn the charger on.

Follow up with them, let them know that wire was missing. I’m sure they will send one to you.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #99 on: July 02, 2021, 11:08:43 PM »

Would anyone be nice enough to help me with the non canbus charger wiring? Apparently the unit I bought is non canbus but didn't come with the pigtail that connects the 4 pin connector to the green wire, and I'm not sure what wires to put together to turn the charger on.

Follow up with them, let them know that wire was missing. I’m sure they will send one to you.

I purchased off of eBay, I am in contact with Sayyed and he's the one who told me it's a non can model, I'm not sure how keen they are on selling me the pigtail though, but it seems it just connects some wires I just can't see which.

https://evwest.com/store/images/products/elcon-3-3kw-charger-uhf-pre-programmed-non-can-2.jpg
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2021, 02:42:58 AM »

Here is how I have mine hooked up to charge. The green wire is just the jumper.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2021, 06:13:55 AM »

Here is how I have mine hooked up to charge. The green wire is just the jumper.


And awayyy we go! I think my charger may be limited to 10 amps (and the obc puts out about 5-6) but this is on 120v, I'll have to test it on 220v. Thanks for the help

Edit: on 220v I get double the power, so 20amps. Still not the full 3.3kw but I can't complain for ~$300.
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2021, 09:02:23 PM »

Would 2 of these be a good substitute for the no longer available diginow chargers?
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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2021, 10:05:35 PM »

Would 2 of these be a good substitute for the no longer available diginow chargers?
I believe that's the point, yes.

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Re: Elcon 3.3kw charger group buy
« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2021, 10:24:50 PM »

Would 2 of these be a good substitute for the no longer available diginow chargers?
I use two of the 3.3 KW Elcons on my SR. Those are the same units that DigiNow used. Mine are just a bit more simple and are only used to 95% SOC when the OBC takes over. No CANBUS connection of any type on mine. They are simply wired into the motor controller with 50 amp Anderson connectors I installed on the bike.


I charge my 2017 SR at almost 8KW when on the road. Even more at home by adding in some DeltaQs. But I carry the chargers externally in my sidebags. I only take them when I will need them. At home, I can charge as high as 12KW, but I normally only charge at 3KW at home. At any of my three houses, I am set up with two DeltaQs all ready, so I normally only use those unless I am in a hurry to recharge when home, which is almost never.


Similar configuration on my Zero DS, but I use the older 2.5KW Elcons with it, that are larger in size but less power. I charge my DS at around 6.3 KW. I do not exceed this on my DS even at home, since it has a 7.2 KWH (the unusable max) battery and I want to stay somewhat  below 1C.


If you use two, they should be started close to the same time. Within a minute or so.  I have never found that to be an issue, as I always start them both at the same time.


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