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[DerKrawallkeks]

I removed my comment, maybe I was misinformed that the brown anderson can handle 1C charging.
It handles 6.6kW fine:)

[DerKrawallkeks]

@DonTom your calculation is correct, but from my experience, the Elcon puts out 32A regardless of the voltage. So if the battery is empty, it still does 32A at the lower voltage, doing less power overall:)

[MVetter]

Correct. Amperage output remains constant until cutback.

The current 14.4 battery pack is 114Ah. I would not run more than two 32A units into the charging harness. There are other ways to deliver power to the bike, though.

[DonTom]

@DonTom your calculation is correct, but from my experience, the Elcon puts out 32A regardless of the voltage. So if the battery is empty, it still does 32A at the lower voltage, doing less power overall:)

Yeah, I forgot about that CC stuff. BTW, at what voltage (or ~SOC) do Zeros change to CV? But that will be even less current.

So two of those 3.3 KW chargers will be 64 amps, still well below that 100 amp rating and pretty much in the middle of the range I mentioned anyway of 56.4 to 69.5 amps.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Correct. Amperage output remains constant until cutback.

The current 14.4 battery pack is 114Ah. I would not run more than two 32A units into the charging harness. There are other ways to deliver power to the bike, though.

Agreed, so I went direct to the motor controller battery terminals as it has to be able to handle a lot of current there, to run the motor. However, I still never exceed that 64 amps to the motor controller. Any additional  charging on my SR uses the two Delta Q using the stock method.

I have my "Y" cable permanently attached to the bike, makes it much easier to set up. The most I charge at is ten KW and that is only when home. Closer to 8KW on the road, so I don't have to also find a way to carry the Delta Q's & the 20% difference between the time to charge at 8KW and ten KW isn't worth the trouble.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[travbee]

I think this is a great idea.

I'll email them now!

I have mine to NOT use Canbus. Makes it easier to set up. This disadvantage is that they will stop charging at 95% SOC and from there, the OBC will finish the job.

The last 5% will slow down a lot either way and I doubt if you would even notice the difference when you want to charge to full 100% SOC.

The nice thing about that last 5%, is it gives me the time to put the Elcons back in my sidebags  as the bike is still charging with the OBC.

I have mine wired direct to the motor controller battery inputs.

BTW, you probably want to read this.

-Don-  Reno, NV

Don did you have to request it to NOT use CANBUS?

Also what is the electrical INPUT?

J plug? US style 220 like a dryer outlet?

[staples]

The canbus protocols of the chargers and the Zero are not directly compatible, so getting the charger without the requirement is probably better.
The chargers will work on either 120 or 240v. Elcon can supply them with a NEMA 5-15P or 6-20P, or probably another option.
To use it with a J-1772, you'll need some sort of adapter. I got one from https://www.tucsonev.com/.

[DonTom]

Don did you have to request it to NOT use CANBUS?

Also what is the electrical INPUT?

J plug? US style 220 like a dryer outlet?

I was asked if I wanted it to be CANBUS compatible, which is more trouble than it is worth, IMO. So I said no. And IIRC, there has to be an interface to use CANBUS. I am sure NVetter can tell you what that consists of. I am very happy with the very simple way all four of my Elcons work. I have two  older style Elcon  chargers for my DS. They are less power (2.5KW each) and heavier and larger than the newer  3.3 KWs.


To me, that last 5% slowdown is almost  meaningless. Gives me time to put everything away if I want to charge to 100% from the OBC.


They come with a 120 VAC plug. You will have to convert or change that. I use these 120 VAC plugs with 240 VAC with adapters I made myself to go to a 14-50P. I use one of these and cut the 120 VAC plug off and installed a 14-50P there. Works fine, nothing overheats or anything.


A 14-50R is different than a drier plug.


I have mine set up to charge from perhaps every way possible, even some of the weirdest AC outlets  there are such as the one here. 


If you want to charge from J-1772 you will need an adapter for that as well. And then there are Tesla Destination stations where I use a Tesla-Tap.


Tell me exactly what you want to charge from and I can tell you what to do, if you're in the USA.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[flynnstig82r]

If I have 2 Elcon TC HK-J's plugged into the accessory charging port and I plug a J-1772 into my 2.5 kW charge tank, will it try to charge at 10.4 kW (2.5 CT + 1.3 OBC + 6.6 HK-J's) or still just 3.8?

In other words, is there a way to set it up so I only need my bike's J-plug and not any adapters for the HK-J's?

P.S. I know 10.4 kW will trip the breakers on most J-stations, I'm just trying to understand know the system works.

[DonTom]

If I have 2 Elcon TC HK-J's plugged into the accessory charging port and I plug a J-1772 into my 2.5 kW charge tank, will it try to charge at 10.4 kW (2.5 CT + 1.3 OBC + 6.6 HK-J's) or still just 3.8?

In other words, is there a way to set it up so I only need my bike's J-plug and not any adapters for the HK-J's?

P.S. I know 10.4 kW will trip the breakers on most J-stations, I'm just trying to understand know the system works.

I would expect the full 10.4 KW.


It would take a modification at your charge tank J- inlet, and I have no idea how to do such as I have never seen how the charge tanks are wired in. But more than likely, it can be done.


All you need to do is get the 240 VAC input from the charge tank to the external chargers 120 VAC plugs. Seems simple enough.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[travbee]

Don did you have to request it to NOT use CANBUS?

Also what is the electrical INPUT?

J plug? US style 220 like a dryer outlet?

I was asked if I wanted it to be CANBUS compatible, which is more trouble than it is worth, IMO. So I said no. And IIRC, there has to be an interface to use CANBUS. I am sure NVetter can tell you what that consists of. I am very happy with the very simple way all four of my Elcons work. I have two  older style Elcon  chargers for my DS. They are less power (2.5KW each) and heavier and larger than the newer  3.3 KWs.


To me, that last 5% slowdown is almost  meaningless. Gives me time to put everything away if I want to charge to 100% from the OBC.


They come with a 120 VAC plug. You will have to convert or change that. I use these 120 VAC plugs with 240 VAC with adapters I made myself to go to a 14-50P. I use one of these and cut the 120 VAC plug off and installed a 14-50P there. Works fine, nothing overheats or anything.


A 14-50R is different than a drier plug.


I have mine set up to charge from perhaps every way possible, even some of the weirdest AC outlets  there are such as the one here. 


If you want to charge from J-1772 you will need an adapter for that as well. And then there are Tesla Destination stations where I use a Tesla-Tap.


Tell me exactly what you want to charge from and I can tell you what to do, if you're in the USA.


-Don-  Reno, NV

Don SUPER helpful.

My end goal is to be able to bring one or two Elcons with me to fast charge, because I think I want to add the Power Tank.

Are most charge stations J plug? I have never charged at a public charge station with anything.

So basically I need one or two Elcons. Ill start with one. An adapter from TusconEV? and I should be good to go. At home I can add a breaker and outlet directly to my box outside in my workshop for testing and fast charging at home.

[DonTom]

Don SUPER helpful.

My end goal is to be able to bring one or two Elcons with me to fast charge, because I think I want to add the Power Tank.

Are most charge stations J plug? I have never charged at a public charge station with anything.

So basically I need one or two Elcons. Ill start with one. An adapter from TusconEV? and I should be good to go. At home I can add a breaker and outlet directly to my box outside in my workshop for testing and fast charging at home.

Which year and model bike are you doing this on?


Check Plugshare for the type of charge stations most common  in the area that you will be charging. It varies by location. Become a member  (free) and learn how to use it. But if you have a Zero, you will be looking for J-1772 and 240 VAC outlets, sometimes 120 VAC will do.


If you use two Elcons in parallel,   they have to both be started near the same time (perhaps within a minute or so). I never found this to be an issue, but I am letting you know so you do not wonder why the 2nd one will not work after it is added to the other that has been working  for 20 minutes. If you do need to do such, simply turn them all off for a few seconds and all on again at the same time. However, do NOT do such when at 80% or above SOC. I discovered the hard way that the Zero BMS will drop the charge to around two KW when STARTED above 80%. A normal charge  to past 80% does NOT have such an issue. This can be confusing, so I learned to start no charges above 2 KW  when above 80% SOC. That may not be an exact SOC number, but is close.


If you are adding these chargers to a SR or DS like mine, you probably want the "3 x 5-15R (short)" from Tucson EV.


That means you still will need to use your AC cord for the OBC. However, you can change that one connector from Tucson EV. The guy there will do custom work, just tell him what you want. I think it's a one man operation--who works from home.


You probably want one to be a C-19 so you will not need to use your AC cord.


I had his address and I went   by his place in Tucson during an RV trip a couple of years ago, but I did NOT try to meet him. Sometimes his orders will take a while, but his quality adapters  is the best you will find anywhere. Makes the ones Zero sells seem like an expensive piece of junk.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Shadow]

...I have mine set up to charge from perhaps every way possible, even some of the weirdest AC outlets  there are such as the one here...

Aside: That's extra awesome finding and using a CS6369 to recharge EV moto. Dug through search engine a little and found a helpful chart:


California Standard 50A Reference Chart (Source: stayonline.com)

""A quarter turn locks these connectors in place to remain secure in high-vibration applications and prevent accidental disconnection. They are not compatible with NEMA configurations.

Styles A, B, C, and D are also known as California Standard plugs, sockets, and receptacles. Plugs have one slot to accept a grounding pin; sockets and receptacles have one grounding pin.

Receptacles fit standard wall plates (not included).""
(source: McMASTER-CARR Non-NEMA Turn-Lock Connectors)

The mating adapter to look for in the aforementioned weird AC outlet would be CS6365 Locking Plug to NEMA 14-50R Female Connector and several are available sold for less than the cost of parts to DIY.

[svelectric]

Newbie here.  Glad to find this place.  I have a 2020 DSR.  Looking for a better setup to utilize my Anderson port for Double J plugging on the road (I have a charge tank).  I picked up a quiq charger and can get to 8kw with the on board charger in tandem with the quit and charge tank.  I found out about the Elcon 3.3kw and have been reading up.  I think that will be a better setup for using a second j plug vs the quiq.  I have been in contact with Sayeed at Elcon.  It sounds like the AC input is a regular plug for the US.  The DC output to the bike needs an adapter.  The one that comes out of the elcon is a SB-50, is there an adapter for that type of plug to go to the anderson port on the S/DS/SR/DSR ?  Thanks!

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[MVetter]

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