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Allen_C

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J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« on: March 13, 2021, 11:24:18 PM »

Does anyone sell or has someone made an adapter cord to plug in a j1772 connector from a charger station into the Anderson connector on a Zero? I have a 2020 DS with 7.2k battery. Is the only way to do this to install a charge tank or an external charger like an elcon? Or can I make this cord and connect it to a $300 wall mounted home charger or commercial charge station outputting 1.6k-6.6k with a j-plug?
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TheRan

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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2021, 11:35:31 PM »

The Anderson connector for an accessory charger (located just above the motor) is only for use with an external charger, it's a connection straight to the battery (pretty much). A charging station with a J1772 plug isn't an external charger but rather just a 240V mains connection, it still needs to be connected to the bike's internal charger. So, what you need is a J1772 to IEC cable (or to a mains socket and then use the original mains charging cable). Something like this, except mine is Mennekes instead of J1772 because I'm in Europe.

EDIT: This also won't allow you to charge any faster than you would by plugging into a regular mains socket, for that you'd need to fit a Charge Tank.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2021, 11:37:08 PM by TheRan »
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2021, 04:17:21 AM »

Does that mean the charge tank has both a j-plug and a faster charger in the kit? And if so, what's the charge speed?
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2021, 04:42:41 AM »

Yeah the charge tank contains a 6kW charger and it connects to the mains via the J1772 plug on the top. With that your 7.2kW/h model will get a full charge in a bit over an hour.
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2021, 11:30:17 PM »

Yeah the charge tank contains a 6kW charger and it connects to the mains via the J1772 plug on the top. With that your 7.2kW/h model will get a full charge in a bit over an hour.

*The Charge Tank outputs a maximum of 57 amps to his 57Ah battery. The battery isn't 7.2kWh, but 57Ah x 102vdc (nominal) = 5814Wh or 5.8kWh. Expect about an hour.
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2021, 11:46:36 PM »

Does anyone sell or has someone made an adapter cord to plug in a j1772 connector from a charger station into the Anderson connector on a Zero? I have a 2020 DS with 7.2k battery. Is the only way to do this to install a charge tank or an external charger like an elcon? Or can I make this cord and connect it to a $300 wall mounted home charger or commercial charge station outputting 1.6k-6.6k with a j-plug?
Is all you're trying to do is charge with a J-1772?  There are many ways to do such by using the 120 VAC inlet. Here is one way.

But a better way is here, in case you want to add external chargers. I can charge my DS at  6.3KW. I can charge my SR at 10KW.  I think the guy there will make any Zero cable you want. Just ask. Much better quality than From Zero and cost less as well.

-Don-  Reno, NV
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2021, 02:43:53 AM »

Yeah the charge tank contains a 6kW charger and it connects to the mains via the J1772 plug on the top. With that your 7.2kW/h model will get a full charge in a bit over an hour.

*The Charge Tank outputs a maximum of 57 amps to his 57Ah battery. The battery isn't 7.2kWh, but 57Ah x 102vdc (nominal) = 5814Wh or 5.8kWh. Expect about an hour.
Zero say it's 6.3kW/h nominal so that's what I was going off, and assuming the charge tank is also just under 6kW. However according to the UZM it's actually 6.5kW, and the 1C rate on the contactor is 7kW.
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2021, 07:20:09 AM »

Does anyone sell or has someone made an adapter cord to plug in a j1772 connector from a charger station into the Anderson connector on a Zero? I have a 2020 DS with 7.2k battery. Is the only way to do this to install a charge tank or an external charger like an elcon? Or can I make this cord and connect it to a $300 wall mounted home charger or commercial charge station outputting 1.6k-6.6k with a j-plug?
Is all you're trying to do is charge with a J-1772?  There are many ways to do such by using the 120 VAC inlet. Here is one way.

But a better way is here, in case you want to add external chargers. I can charge my DS at  6.3KW. I can charge my SR at 10KW.  I think the guy there will make any Zero cable you want. Just ask. Much better quality than From Zero and cost less as well.

-Don-  Reno, NV

I can connect to a j1772 with the adapter I have, j-plug split to two c13 connectors.  I think it was made by TucsonEV too! I was hoping to find something that would connect to a j1772 then plug into the Anderson connector on the bike. But it appears I need an external charger to go between the j-plug and the bike.

I've read about elcon or similar chargers that would work but they need to be programmed for the Zero's battery specs. Is there a trusted supplier for this type of charger, outputting between 3kw-6.5kw?
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Re: J1772 to Anderson sbs75xbrn cord?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2021, 07:37:21 AM »

I can connect to a j1772 with the adapter I have, j-plug split to two c13 connectors.  I think it was made by TucsonEV too! I was hoping to find something that would connect to a j1772 then plug into the Anderson connector on the bike. But it appears I need an external charger to go between the j-plug and the bike.
Of course. The Anderson connector above the motor is for DC only. A j-1772 is AC.  Neither a J-1772 nor is  a Tesla Destination station a charger. They are simply AC supplies for 240 VAC.

I've read about elcon or similar chargers that would work but they need to be programmed for the Zero's battery specs. Is there a trusted supplier for this type of charger, outputting between 3kw-6.5kw?
My chargers are all from Elcon. They are programmed for a Zero to charge to 95%. After that 95%, your OBC takes over. It would be slow up there anyway, so it's no big deal. I don't even notice the difference. Give Elcon a call and tell them what you want to do. The programmer there rides a HD Livewire (and five other bikes). I have ridden with him several times. His name is Sayyed. He is from Parkistan. He knows how to program the 3.3 KW chargers  for Zero without all the CANBUS BS. You can put two in parallel and then charge at almost 8KW. But that is a little over the charge limit at most J-1772 stations. But you can hog up two stations or  disconnect  your OBC to get down to 6.6 KW that most J-1772 stations are happy with. If charging from a NEMA 14-50R or a Tesla station, you don't have to worry about this limit and can then charge at the full 8KW.

But you will have to wire them in yourself. Mine go directly to the motor controller batt input and I made this modification so I do not have to leave the key in, even when I do NOT use the OBC. Read from that message (number 30) on for more info.

-Don-  Reno, NV
« Last Edit: March 16, 2021, 07:45:07 AM by DonTom »
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1984 Yamaha Venture
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2013 Triumph Trophy SE
2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 LT
2017 Blk/Gold HD Road Glide Ultra
2017 Org Zero DS ZF 6.5/(now is 7.2)
2017 Red Zero SR ZF13 w/ Pwr Tank
2020 Energica EVA SS9
2023 Energica Experia LE
2023 Zero DSR/X
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