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[MVetter]

Remember before you can embrace something you must first uncross and open your arms, and in this case mind, to enjoy what is good.

"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." -Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War

[NEW2elec]

“Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems.” – Sun Tzu

Problems like:  Slow weak bikes.  Short ranged bikes.  Slow charging bikes.  Air resisting bikes.  Far too heavy bikes. 
Riders too tucked and uncomfortable.  Riders unaware of dangers where they can not see.

[MVetter]

you took a games workshop quote seriously

awesome.

[godot]

"That'd be my dad, yes."

Bruce or Craig?

[NEW2elec]

"That'd be my dad, yes."

Bruce or Craig?

His dad is Craig Vetter.

[NEW2elec]

you took a games workshop quote seriously

awesome.

I get the light hearted nature of a Warhammer quote. 

I took it as an opportunity to counter with a real quote that had real meaning and an explanation of their motivation.
IOW the idea that they can make something better than what is out there.

I haven't given up on your enlightenment potential.  (smirk emoji) 
The fact you still seek answers from the church of Facebook shows me you are not just a lost lamb.

[MVetter]

The fact you still seek answers from the church of Facebook shows me you are not just a lost lamb.

[Richtea]

Energica makes a nice bike and the CCS charging is great if you live where there are a lot of those stations and you don't mind that it works out to costing more than gas to go the same distance.  But they aren't  perfect bikes and what Damon is claiming right now addresses some of Energicas short falls.

and

“Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems.” – Sun Tzu

"Victory comes from selling a working product." - Me

Energica 1
Damon 0

[NEW2elec]

There you go Morgan!
Be a Prophet and show the future!


Richtea don't confuse firing the first shot with winning the war.     

[Crissa]

Damon hasn't said they were shipping bikes yet.

So why would you compare a potential bike to an existing one?  Next years' model is always better (especially when it hasn't arrived yet).  I don't see the point of comparing them or even insulting them until there's a product you can buy.

-Crissa

[NEW2elec]

No there haven't been any Damon's shipped at this point.

They do have a toy hauler ready to tour around and put on test ride events.  The Canada US boarder needs to be open and not crazy packed and of course the Delta Covid strain could shut down those types of gatherings if it hits a serge.

The time goal for 2021 is to ship out the 26 Founder's Edition bikes.  Those all had reserve deposits down in the 4 days Damon was at CES.
They are the $40k top of the line bikes.

As for why compare them, it's a forum, that's what people should do.

[Crissa]

But for now, I'd say that we need to see the bikes get reviewed to compare them.

Until then, comparisons are meaningless.  We can just ooh and ahh at the technology, and wonder what shortcuts they're taking.  We know that Energica seems to have overbuilt their bikes to a degree that each iteration is lighter than the last.  And they already deliver a 200 mile bike with a 21kWh battery.

-Crissa

[Richard230]

I keep thinking about Mission Motorcycles and Lightning. So I also will wait until Damon bikes arrive on a showroom floor near me before commenting on the company's future. There is still a lot of work to be done between hand building a pre-production vehicle and mass producing and selling them on the consumer retail market.

[NEW2elec]

For over a year now Canada has basically been in lock down.
In my own opinion I think it will be hard for Damon to keep their timeline goals with that level of challenge, but we'll see.

The thing I keep pointing out, that keeps being ignored because these bikes aren't in customers hands yet, is the fact that the specs are all what people have longed for and said they wished they could get.

There is a company that has listened and wants to make that bike but it's being met with...almost a fear that it will be made, by some.
I guess people don't want to think they made a bad choice and don't want there to be a better product then the one they bought.
Or maybe shame of shames getting behind it and if it doesn't make it and they could be (gasp) wrong.

I'm willing to admit these specs are what I WANT.
If Damon fails to make it as a company or the bike comes up short, I still want those specs.

If it makes Zero wake up and make some hard choices and big improvements, great.
In 3 model years Energica has made 3 big improvements in their bikes, but if Damon delivers it's specs and price then Energica loses in every meaningful category.  Plus Damon offers features at no extra cost that Energica doesn't even have.
Competition is a good thing.

[MVetter]

Of course these are the specs people want. But those of us who have done some math on it realize what they're promising isn't feasible at this time. Somehow you've twisted that into a persecution complex and responded by sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU".