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[MVetter]

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Covers a lot of good points. I feel like he pulled a few punches on others. Regardless, it's good information.

[NEW2elec]

Let me help this millennial hipster solve the first mystery.  The CEO is Jay "Damon" Giraud.

As to what they have been doing over the last year?  Well if he had signed up for the Damon News Letter he would have known about these five changes since the CES reveal.

Improved bodywork designs

A more powerful motor

A higher voltage battery configuration

New handlebar controls

 A new 7'' recessed LCD display

Other then that most of his information could have come from the website or my posts here in the Damon section of our beloved EMF.

The only real question is the range numbers.  Which sadly we know is the most optimum range estimate at the best conditions, but that's what everyone quotes so it's fair until a better standard is made.

I was very disappointed to see in the Dutch range test video you posted that the 21kWh Energicas only got 100 miles of mixed riding and not the 143 claimed.  Only about 20 more miles than the 14.4 kWh Zero SRF.

Maybe this guy will make a video on that since he is self designated "Ebike Vice".

At this point only money and Covid can keep this bike from hitting the roads.  We'll see how it goes.   

[NEW2elec]

Also this is a good time to remind everyone that as the borders reopen and test ride events are planned, it's the areas with the most test ride requests and reservation holders that will be the first test ride areas.

You can set up a free account at Damon.com and request your no obligation test ride now.  Unless test riding awesome new electric motorcycles just isn't your thing.
But then the question is, why are you here? 

[princec]

I was very disappointed to see in the Dutch range test video you posted that the 21kWh Energicas only got 100 miles of mixed riding and not the 143 claimed.  Only about 20 more miles than the 14.4 kWh Zero SRF.

In the face of statistics from every other electric motorcycle, why would this be a surprise? Not that I'm memorable or anything but I did mention the other day that the formula appears to be KWh / 20 = reliable typical average miles out of a charge (or, 5 miles per KWh). The Energica is bang on the money, just as the Zeros and Livewire are. Any manufacturer claiming anything else at this point is... full of shit.

Cas

[JaimeC]

Regarding the observed range of the four bikes in the Dutch test:  The temperatures were FREEZING.  They probably would've seen roughly 20% better range out of all four bikes if they did it in decent weather.  Still, it was a good look at the RELATIVE ranges of the four bikes.

As for Damon, I learned my lesson from Lightning's press releases.  When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

[NEW2elec]

Cas ol buddy we also talked about how you don't own any electric motorcycle so I'll tell you this, I got 98 miles on my 2013 11.4 kWh Zero DS in the GA summer on back roads and and stop and go traffic.  So I know what effect going slower and having a hot day does for range.
That was a best case for that bike but it did do it.  That's about 10 miles per kWh.  I get at least 8.5 miles at under 50MPH riding in the summer.
I think Electric Terry got 200 miles on either a 13 or 14.4 battery by super hyper mile-ing, aka sub 20MPH.  Not what most people want to do but it can be done.

Here is the posted range for the Energica Ego+ from their website:
RANGE: 400 km – 249 miles City / 230 km – 143 miles Combined / 180 km – 112 miles Extra Urban

The Dutch video claimed their test ride was a mix of highway and back roads.  Take 10-15% for the cold and it still should have got 130 miles.  It didn't.  It got below their "Extra Urban" range which I assume means highway 60MPH conditions.

I point this out for two reasons.
First I'm in camp range.  I want maximum range as I don't want to stop and charge at all if I don't have to.

Second Morgan has jumped on the Energica band wagon and won't admit their shortcomings while taking shots at other brands for similar or the same issues.  Energica makes a nice bike and the CCS charging is great if you live where there are a lot of those stations and you don't mind that it works out to costing more than gas to go the same distance.  But they aren't  perfect bikes and what Damon is claiming right now addresses some of Energicas short falls.

[NEW2elec]

Jaime C, test ride one. 
We may never really know what went wrong at Lightning.  I give them full credit for winning Pike's Peak at a time when electric motorcycles were a joke when it came to performance, but the business side was too much for them I guess.

[mistasam]

Damon has a smaller-capacity battery than the Energica+, but they're able to go twice as far on a charge, and it somehow weighs 70kg less (with all the extra fancy transformer ergonomics).

Call me skeptical but that's quite a stretch.

[princec]

True I've only ridden 2. I got 100 miles out of the 13KWh Energica (before it broke down) and was on target for 80 from the Zero but as they weren't my bikes I was riding them very cautiously.

I'm going with the actual realistic figures achieved by the UK journos that have had these bikes on long-term test. They're not like US journalists.

Cas

[MVetter]

Second Morgan has jumped on the Energica band wagon and won't admit their shortcomings while taking shots at other brands for similar or the same issues.

say what now?

[NEW2elec]

Damon has a smaller-capacity battery than the Energica+, but they're able to go twice as far on a charge, and it somehow weighs 70kg less (with all the extra fancy transformer ergonomics).

Call me skeptical but that's quite a stretch.

From the Ego+ range numbers posted above
 249miles city, 143 mixed, and 112 highway

Damon's claimed range numbers (Hypersport)
300 city, 200 mixed, 160 highway.

So not claiming double just more.

The weight savings comes from the fact the battery box is the frame and higher voltage is smaller wiring and cables plus smaller but faster motor like the Lucid over the old Tesla motor.

I wish you could ride one but you'd have to fly to CA to do it.

[NEW2elec]

Second Morgan has jumped on the Energica band wagon and won't admit their shortcomings while taking shots at other brands for similar or the same issues.

say what now?

"What now"

[mistasam]

OH!  My bad.  I didn't realize they updated their claims.  It used to be "200 miles at highway speed" 

[princec]

To achieve that they simply need a 40KWh battery. Simples.

Cas

[NEW2elec]

Sam I also want to say welcome to the Damon section.  I think this is your first time here.
I gave you a shout out in the Job opening thread for an opening they have that you would be great for but you'd have to either go to VC or convince them to send a bike to NZ.