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[NEW2elec]

Check back here on 11/19 for the reveal.     

Maybe hear all about Damon's Hyperdrive approach.

[NEW2elec]

With full details to come, Damon's website shows that there are now 5 different variants of their Hypersport motorcycle.

The Founder's Edition is already sold out but the limited Premier Edition will go for $39,995 with top of the line components all around.
The standard Hypersport with the three 200 marks for range HP and top speed will go for $24995.

The two new models the SX and SE will go for $19,995 and $16,995 respectfully.  I don't see much info on these two models yet but all have the same outer appearance with the drive train and battery size being different.

They also show their power train battery unit they call the "HyperDrive".

From their web site:
HyperDrive™ is the world's first monocoque-constructed, all-electric multi-variant powertrain. The high-energy pack design is a structural powerplant built for many batter capacities; that forms the core for the future's most ground-breaking and exhilarating motorcyles.

HyperDrive™ redefines industry benchmarks of motorcycle performance, saftey and design.

Designed for Performance
HyperDrive’s form factor is crucial to the vast performance increase of the HyperSport. Using aerodynamic design and rigorous wind-tunnel testing, HyperDrive delivers more speed, acceleration and range than ever before.

Slim Design
The pack’s cell count, orientation & layout, heat dissipation materials, liquid-cooling performance, and material selection are engineered to create the slimmest possible battery, without compromising energy density or output.

Dual Purpose
To further reduce weight, HyperDrive acts as a structural component of the motorcycle itself. The battery enclosure not only optimizes weight distribution for high-speed stability & handling, but also act as the motorcycle’s load-bearing frame.

End statement.

This system will allow for cross platform applications while keeping the R&D and manufacturing costs to a minimum.
Again I'm very impressed with this team's innovative approach to the world of electric motorcycles.

More to come as info is released.

[shayan]

Hypersport SE: https://www.damon.com/hypersport-se
Key features:
0-60 MPH   < 3 Seconds
Range   108 Miles
Horsepower   100
Top Speed   120 MPH
Charge Time   20m @ Level 3 < 2.2 Hrs @ Level 2 (Assuming this is a 3.3kW L2 charger)
Motor   PMAC Liquid Cooled 160 kW peak
Battery   11 kWh
Warranty   2 Years

Hyperssport SX: https://www.damon.com/hypersport-sx
Key features:
0-60 MPH   < 3 Seconds
Range   150 Miles
Horsepower   150
Top Speed   150 MPH
Charge Time   30m @ Level 3 < 2 Hrs @ Level 2 (Assuming this is a 6.6kW L2 charger)
Motor   PMAC Liquid Cooled 160 kW peak
Battery   15 kWh
Warranty   2 Years

So these are like Zero's S and SR bikes (but with DCFC) 
And i'm not sure if the range figures are city or mixed. This is from their website too:

*Configurations are based on USA specification. 200+ range is estimated using the SAE J2982 *on highway electric motorcycle standard* and references a mix of highway and urban cycle. Straight 70 mph highway range is ~161 miles. Straight 60 mph highway range is estimated at 201 miles. Global specifications will be issued at a later date.

[princec]

Range is bullshit of course...

Cas

[shayan]

Range is bullshit of course...

Maybe
But the SE has range and charging specs like the 13.4kWh Energicas, but seemingly with much lower weight and at this point similarly priced. Of course the claimed tech on Damon is more advanced. We should wait to see when these bikes start to appear on the roads.

[NEW2elec]

Thanks for posting Shayan, I was at work when the details came out.

Princec, can you tell me how a Tesla with a 100 kWh battery pack gets 370 miles of range and a Lucid Air Dream gets 517 from a 113 kWh pack?

[princec]

Simple, one of them is lying.

Bikes get 5-7 miles per KWh on average if you ride "normally". Plenty of recorded evidence from at least 4 manufacturers. And there's plenty of data on the cars out there, and they get about 3-4 ish. Efficiency is already over 95% so they're not going to suddenly get vastly more efficient. The only thing that can be fixed is aero and in that regard, bikes are up a certain creek without a certain instrument - without some frankly bizarre shapes and inconvenience we're not going to see even half the CD of a Tesla.

Cas

[Crissa]

Well, aren't they trying to do some sort of pose-shifting thing to get them better aerodynamics?

And I get about 10 miles per kWh riding 'normally'.  Of course, I'm rarely on the freeway.

-Crissa

[shayan]

Simple, one of them is lying.

Bikes get 5-7 miles per KWh on average if you ride "normally". Plenty of recorded evidence from at least 4 manufacturers. And there's plenty of data on the cars out there, and they get about 3-4 ish. Efficiency is already over 95% so they're not going to suddenly get vastly more efficient. The only thing that can be fixed is aero and in that regard, bikes are up a certain creek without a certain instrument - without some frankly bizarre shapes and inconvenience we're not going to see even half the CD of a Tesla.

Cas

Zero SR with PT at 18kWh total is rated at 112 miles at 70mph. So the 20kWh pack on this bike could give 150 miles of range if this math could workout practically
1. 10% more battery means 10% more range = 123miles
2. 10% through fairing let's say. That means 135 miles
3. Another 10% through full tuck and that brings it to 148miles

Even if we approximate it to 150 it's about 11 miles less than their claimed number. Even if it's not too far off, I don't know wj the those 10 miles can be added from.
I don't think it can be lighter than 458lbs of the SR with a PT

[NEW2elec]

Sorry Princec that is not correct.

I've PMed you some info on the Lucid as I don't want to clutter this thread but it gives some hints as to how a different approach can give very different results.

[MVetter]

Sorry Princec that is not correct.

I've PMed you some info on the Lucid as I don't want to clutter this thread but it gives some hints as to how a different approach can give very different results.

yo pm me that as well

[princec]

I'll believe it when I see it... energy is energy.

Cas

[Richard230]

I'll believe it when I see it... energy is energy.

Cas

Unless it is spinning rapidly and looking to attract investor dollars.   

[NEW2elec]

Et tu Richard?

Princec, I mean the one video was from Motor Trend and he drives the car 450 miles with 7% left which should take them to at least 485 miles non city driving.  We can agree that the highest range numbers are at the most optimum conditions and we all know from experience what factors contribute to lower range.

As they say on Damon's website: The Hypersport will do 160 miles doing straight 70MPH and 200 miles at straight 60MPH and over that with mixed riding conditions.
Now will everyone get those numbers on every ride?  Of course not but if it's even within a 10% difference it would be the best range going.

Morgan, When I get home I'll PM you.

[MVetter]

I remain skeptical because I've seen so much chicanery in this industry. I'm not saying they did, for example, but they could easily have provided a Lucid car to Motor Trend that a special larger capacity battery pack. At no point did the Motor Trend article show a charging station with data on how many kWh were put back in the car.

Call me pessimistic but, frankly, there's too much BS going on, and I don't trust journalists.