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[reini]

Maybe 25kW DC chargers are significantly cheaper than the 50kW or 100kW+ kind to set up or operate (*);
(*) and this is a way for the dealership to offer extra-mile customer service:  every car coming in for service leaves with a SoC of 50% at least (kind of like washing the car after a service).

I've found the charger on my picture above at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Delta-Wallbox-Networked-Commercial-Charging/dp/B06ZY6N3S6 This is about a 1/3 of the price of a 75 kW one. For them it is certainly enough to charge cars while they are for service and also their demo cars. On the back of that charger, there was another 22kW 3-phase AC charger, so they could charge two cars at once.

[DonTom]

With a home charger?  Why would you want to carry around a bulky, heavy charger when you can leave it at home when you don't need it?

You leave all but one of your bikes when you leave home.

-Crissa

One very common reason is so you can charge at somebody else's home. Not all EV chargers have the same output DC voltage. Say I need to charge  my 315 VDC Energica at a house where they have no compatible chargers. Such as your 116 VDC output Zero charger. No can do.  The nice thing about EV chargers is they work on any AC house voltage anywhere. DC doesn't.

There are many useful things I would like to add at the cost of the weight increase. Centerstand, 6KW charging are a couple of the main things I would want on my Energica.

With most charge stations in NV,  I can charge my Zero SR (~8 KW)  at a much higher rate than my Energica (3KW max).

With my SR, I have the best of both words. Most of the time, I do not take the chargers, I leave them at home except for longer trips. Having an easily  removable AC charger could be the perfect answer to keep everybody happy.

-Don-  Tonopah, NV (RV)

[Crissa]

One very common reason is so you can charge at somebody else's home.

If you need your charger, take it with you.

But you know what?  The vast, vast majority of the time you're not charging at someone else's home.

And if DC chargers get more common, then it's quite likely they'll be more compatible.  You don't have any trouble with that now, do you?

-Crissa

[Sklith]

So then, how will people charge at home?  That is close to where 90% of EV charging is done.

You're talking about today's charging standards. Of course nobody would rip our their AC chargers. I'm looking out into a more distant future where hopefully everyone's driving EVs.

High powered onboard AC chargers in EVs today take up a significant amount of the total cost, and you can bet manufacturers will look towards eliminating that cost. I think of this as a good thing. Sure, it'll sting to buy a $2k+ AC/DC charger for your home but the lower cost of an EV without an onboard charger should offset that. Also, taking the onboard charger out of an EV removes a failure point, and a simpler machine is cheaper to maintain.

[princec]

Not so distant! With half of Europe announcing total bans on ICE vehicles within 10 years things are going to have to change pretty fast around here.

Cas

[Curt]

Would it not be possible to standardize on DC charging vehicles only, but have small, affordable home-size DC chargers in the 1.5 kW to 7.68 kW range? All information I can find on DC chargers seem to be concerned only with commercial fast charging.

[Crissa]

The AC chargers are basically doing that, but are already plugged into the vehicle.

So yes, it's totally possible.

-Crissa

[ultrarnr]

You can use this to charge your Energica at 6kW at home: https://www.evseadapters.com/products/portable-chademo-ccs-combo-dc-quick-charger/

A bit large to travel with though.

[princec]

Four grand? Jesus wept.

Cas

[Sklith]

Our own Electric Cowboy makes/sells this: https://www.diginow.it/product-page/7kw-portible-ccs-charger

But yeah, we're definitely not there yet. hehe

[Crissa]

Doesn't it already ramp the charging?

-Crissa

[ultrarnr]

Crissa,  Yes. At 80% SOC my Ribelle is charging at 15kW, 45 A. Energica has seriously slowed down the charging speed on the 2020 models. Last DCFC I did I started at 19% SOC.  22kW, 73A, taper started at 41% SOC, down to 21kW, 68A. At 50% SOC, down to 18kW, 58A. 60% SOC, 15kW, 49A. 70% SOC, 15kW, 47A. For comparison my Eva 107 didn't start to taper at all until 70%. 

[Anubis-R]

if that allow us to keep batteries alive twice their current lifetime, imho that worth the effort to wait a few minutes more

[Richard230]

This seems like a pretty decent, fair and thorough review of the Ribelle: 

[PWM]

Thanks for posting.

The video segment that shows L2 charge w/ battery @ 10% SOC is interesting, why does it draw only 2kW?

On mine, I haven't dropped below 20% SOC (maybe that's the reason?) but for the entire L2 charge duration up to 95% SOC mine draws a steady 3kW (14 Amps) as advertised.

I'm tapping into a 50Amp AC mains outlet - suspect voltage drop is cause for the disparity - certainly, I'm not complaining - just an observation.