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[Crissa]

Yes, it supports AC charging as well as DC. 
https://inverter.en.alibaba.com/product/60406497994-801471302/10KW_level_3_DC_fast_portable_EVSE_equipment_EV_battery_charger.html

I was trying to also find this one:
https://evunited.com/collections/ultrafast-portable-ev-charging

-Crissa

[NEW2elec]

The second link is just a bunch of batteries with a chademo cord/gun coming off of it.

Now it's a product that would be real good for tow truck situations where someone's EV dies on the side of the road and they could pull up and charge them and get them on their way but hauling around a bunch of spare batteries (at a very high cost by the way) isn't a CCS charging solution on a farm.

This will be a good product for the intended uses and will likely do a whole days work without needing to charge so just plug in overnight, but having CCS charging is not a priority for a farm use vehicle. 

[Crissa]

.... but having CCS charging is not a priority for a farm use vehicle.

You said there were no CCS chargers in fields.  Well, here's one.

-Crissa

[NEW2elec]

Grrrrr

There's no AC source either.

[Crissa]

Dude, I linked to battery powered portable CCS chargers 'cause you said they didn't exist.  They do.  They're new, so there's no shame in not knowing.

There are AC J-plug ones.  The previous one I linked to is supposed to do both, but I seem to have lost the link to the data sheet.

What is wrong?  They're clearly too expensive for farming today, but the future is getting here.  As we have the tools coming in, we just need to price the carbon to match the emissions, and then it'll work out.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Dude, I linked to battery powered portable CCS chargers 'cause you said they didn't exist.  They do.  They're new, so there's no shame in not knowing.

There are AC J-plug ones.  The previous one I linked to is supposed to do both, but I seem to have lost the link to the data sheet.

What is wrong?  They're clearly too expensive for farming today, but the future is getting here.  As we have the tools coming in, we just need to price the carbon to match the emissions, and then it'll work out.

-Crissa

But isn't it more efficient, lighter, and better in every way possible, to have a battery that is easy to replace and simply keep a spare charged up battery around?


-Don-  Reno

[Richard230]

Dude, I linked to battery powered portable CCS chargers 'cause you said they didn't exist.  They do.  They're new, so there's no shame in not knowing.

There are AC J-plug ones.  The previous one I linked to is supposed to do both, but I seem to have lost the link to the data sheet.

What is wrong?  They're clearly too expensive for farming today, but the future is getting here.  As we have the tools coming in, we just need to price the carbon to match the emissions, and then it'll work out.

-Crissa

But isn't it more efficient, lighter, and better in every way possible, to have a battery that is easy to replace and simply keep a spare charged up battery around?


-Don-  Reno

And on a farm you could use a windmill to recharge the battery, in addition to pumping water out of the ground. 

[wavelet]

Dude, I linked to battery powered portable CCS chargers 'cause you said they didn't exist.  They do.  They're new, so there's no shame in not knowing.

There are AC J-plug ones.  The previous one I linked to is supposed to do both, but I seem to have lost the link to the data sheet.

What is wrong?  They're clearly too expensive for farming today, but the future is getting here.  As we have the tools coming in, we just need to price the carbon to match the emissions, and then it'll work out.

-Crissa

But isn't it more efficient, lighter, and better in every way possible, to have a battery that is easy to replace and simply keep a spare charged up battery around?


-Don-  Reno

That depends on the size of the battery (and much of farm machinery will need BEV-sized battery, in order to do a full's day of work without needing replacement/recharging), and overall battery production -- which is currently highly constrained. Battery replacement needs some seriously expensive facilities once you get to 20kWh+ batteries, which don't make economic sense for a single or even several farms; doubling the number of batteries needed overall isn't going to make sense either, in terms of battery demand, for quite a few years yet. Battery demand is likely going to outstrip supply for at least the coming decade, both due to increased EVs adoption as well as due to stationary storage batteries. 

[NEW2elec]

Dude, I linked to battery powered portable CCS chargers 'cause you said they didn't exist.  They do.  They're new, so there's no shame in not knowing.

There are AC J-plug ones.  The previous one I linked to is supposed to do both, but I seem to have lost the link to the data sheet.

What is wrong?  They're clearly too expensive for farming today, but the future is getting here.  As we have the tools coming in, we just need to price the carbon to match the emissions, and then it'll work out.

-Crissa

Ok so Curt mentioned that with Polaris partnering up with Zero that meant they had no interest in CCS.

I pointed out that these will be off road vehicles so worrying about fast charging at a CCS station like most people want to do on the road legal Zeros won't come into play yet.
To sum that up I said there are no CCS stations in the field.  I even added a smiley face to point it out without going into full detail.

Some people think that Zero having no CCS is just a horrible thing and so stupid and inexcusable that they don't want to hear anything other than CCS is here.
I'm not saying that is Curt's feelings but it comes up a good bit on here.

You have pointed out that you can remotely charge an EV.  It can be done through a DC plug in port.
But can you concede that it's not like a Charge Point CCS station that you plug into with road legal vehicles which was what I was pointing out?  As that is what Curt sounds like he does want and sooner rather than later.

also the Grrr was a stop being cheeky not an angry GRRRRRRRR.

[Crissa]

I think CCS is the future, and will be cheaper.  Structural batteries like in the F-platform are cheaper, and skipping the charger saves weight, bulk, and eventually, cost.

Today the DC high power chargers are more expensive, so yeah, as the installed base is now, it makes sense to go with AC on board, L1 basic outlet, compatible chargers.

But they really need to look at the future and be ready for it.  They need to have a prestige product to get people dreaming of a different tomorrow.

-Crissa

[princec]

Just to whiz on everyone's chips but I don't think electricity is the future for farm vehicles. The sheer scale of daily energy requirements for large farm vehicles and equipment is beyond understanding. Farming is likely to move to biofuels, keeping it as a carbon-neutral closed loop. You heard it here first. (I "saw it here first", too, as our local farm is a big pioneer of biofuel technology)

Cas

[wavelet]

Just to whiz on everyone's chips but I don't think electricity is the future for farm vehicles. The sheer scale of daily energy requirements for large farm vehicles and equipment is beyond understanding. Farming is likely to move to biofuels, keeping it as a carbon-neutral closed loop. You heard it here first. (I "saw it here first", too, as our local farm is a big pioneer of biofuel technology)

Cas

We're getting far afield (pun intended) from Zero/Polaris. but frankly, there's very little actual e-motorcycle news...

From what I read, there currently aren't any biofuels that are worth growing for the sake of fuel, in terms of overall environmental & processing cost. Brazil's ethanol is a borderline exception. Elsewhere, basically any land used to grow large-scale fuel crops is going to compete with land needed for food crops.
So that leaves  biofuel resulting from industrial or agricultural processes (e.g., reusing cooking oil, or biogas), but my understanding is that fairly little of that can be used cost-effectively.

[NEW2elec]

Well I'm talking about farm use because these vehicles will be ORVs Off Road Vehicles.  I'm guessing that will be 4 wheelers, the utility side by sides which sell like crazy for as much as they cost, and snowmobiles.
I guess they could make a pure dirt bike but that would overlap a bit with the FX (maybe other new models) so I think they will stick to new types of electric ORVs not offered by either company.

[Richard230]

My local city set up a bio-fuel distribution facility at our sewage treatment plant a few years ago and apparently no one wanted the stuff, or they just couldn't supply enough fast food grease to keep it up and running. It didn't last long. Bio-fuels seem like a good idea but the mechanics, distribution and economics of the concept seem to leave something to be desired when being used on a large commercial scale. 

However, I can see how locally-produced bio-fuels could be useful on a farm or ranch to supplement their required diesel fuel needs, but I still think that there is, or will be, a demand for electric vehicles to get you around the farm instead of using the typical ICE pickup truck.

[Crissa]

Yeah, electric is the future of farms because they can use solar.  Put it about 2m up and it doesn't conflict with grazing.  Put it over irrigation and reduce evaporation.

-Crissa