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ultrarnr

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Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« on: September 19, 2020, 03:33:44 PM »

Last Saturday I picked up my 2020 Energica Eva Ribelle nine months exactly after putting a deposit down on it. I arrived home 72 miles later with 24% SOC remaining. With a much bigger battery I was curious about charge times and how long it would take to get back on the road. I plugged into 110 and the bike showed 9hrs, 59 minutes. Didn’t have time for that! So I plugged into 220 and it showed 4 hr 10 minutes. Still too slow! So then I plugged my portable CCS charger which allows the bike to charge at 6kw (from 220 volt outlet) and it showed 1hr, 21 minutes to 80% SOC. So I was able to get another ride in last Saturday, arriving back home after 110 miles and 5% SOC remaining. Plugged into 110 and again it showed 9 hrs, 59 minutes to fully charge. Not sure what is going on with the max charge times at 110 volts. But the Ribelle adds about 4% SOC per hour while charging on 110 so a full charge may take 24 hours or more. No longer can you just plug in a depleted battery and expect to fully charge overnight. The Ribelle with its 21.5 kWh battery can take an entire day to fully charge if 110 is all you have available. I think we have reached the point where potential Ribelle owners need to think about installing a 220 volt outlet to allow L2 charging at home. Subsequent rides showed a charging time on L2 from 2% SOC to 100% SOC to be 5 hrs, 26 minutes. Great for overnight but this will seriously suck if you are on a road trip. Last night I went for a ride and made it home with 4% SOC and decided to try the portable CCS charging to test 6kW charging times. Initially it showed 1hr 58 minutes to 80%. The charging time to 99% was 2 hrs 32 minutes. After 99% SOC the charge rate drops considerably as the battery is balancing and I stopped watching the time.

To fully charge the battery expect charging times as follows:
L1 (1kw): 24 hours+
L2 (3kw): 5:30hrs
6kW charging through CCS port: 2:30hrs.
I have not tried charging from a DCFC yet to see what charge times are like through CCS. I am getting the 600 mile service done today and will use a DCFC after that so will post charge times later.
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2020, 05:50:04 PM »

It took about 55 minutes to charge my Ribelle from the high teens to 80% at a DCFC charger although in all fairness the battery temp was yellow and I wasn’t getting the max charge rate. I’ll try it again on a cooler day (it was 90+ and I had been riding for well over an hour at an aggressive pace so getting the battery warm wasn’t too surprising).
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2020, 08:49:10 PM »

My 2018 Zero S, with a Power Tank, (16.6 KWh, nominal) charges at a rate of about 8% SOC per hour on a 120V outlet at around 11-12 amps (less when at a low SOC). Fully charging that battery pack from empty takes a good 12 hours. Does Energica measure their battery capacity the same way Zero does? 
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2020, 11:52:02 PM »

My 2018 Zero S, with a Power Tank, (16.6 KWh, nominal) charges at a rate of about 8% SOC per hour on a 120V outlet at around 11-12 amps (less when at a low SOC). Fully charging that battery pack from empty takes a good 12 hours. Does Energica measure their battery capacity the same way Zero does?
Yep, they both use KWH, list both max and usable when the specs are checked. The Energica shows the charge current as well as the wattage. But the Wattage is rather useless on AC charging because there is no decimal on my SS9. It just show 1 2 or 3 KWs during an AC charge so you see a 1.5 KW charge as a 1. On DC charging it is fine, as then it is showing perhaps 22, 23 or 24 KW. Only need the decimal on AC charging, which my SS9 does NOT have.

It makes more sense to look at miles gained per hour of charge. At 120 VAC, all the bikes should be close to the same amount of miles added per hour as all the 120 VAC chargers are around 1.5 KW DC output or so. 120 VAC x 18 amps=2,160 watts AC input. 90% efficiency  makes 1,944 DC watts as the very max to charge with and most 120 VAC chargers (especially on a motorcycle where the charger has to be small) will want to stay well under that. To charge at the full 1.9 KW is little gain in charge time, but more heat and the OBCs would be even less reliable than they are now.

It's going to take longer to charge a larger KWH battery just as it takes longer to fill a larger gas tank. But when you look at miles added per KW of charge (or gallons of gasoline) it is the same as the smaller battery or gas tank.

You do not always have to charge or fill the tank to full. But larger gives you the choice.

But the way I look at it, if there are enough charge stations around, the larger battery is only more useful when you leave  the house with a full charge.  Otherwise, it's the same time to recharge on the road with a small battery as with a large one, just more stops necessary with the smaller, but about the same amount of total time is used charging either way.

I like to take a break about every hour anyway. So to me, the number of charge stations available is more important than the bike's range. Range should be less important as more charge stations are built away from the larger cities.

-Don-  Reno, NV
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2020, 02:48:43 AM »


So then I plugged my portable CCS charger which allows the bike to charge at 6kw (from 220 volt outlet) and it showed 1hr, 21 minutes to 80% SOC.


I like those numbers, can I ask which CCS charger you recommend?
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2020, 03:22:12 AM »

PWM, Right now too early to tell. Today on the way home I plugged into a EVGO DCFC. I was at 10% SOC and it said 30 minutes to 80%. That 30 minutes turned into 42 minutes. It started to taper well before 50%. On my old Eva that meant the battery was getting warm. The air temperature was in the upper 60's so I didn't think that could be an issue. I was wrong. When I finally ended the charge the battery icon was yellow. It stayed yellow the entire 58 mile ride home, most of it at 70mph. On my old Eva the only time I saw the battery icon yellow was when the air temps were in the 90s and after charging multiple times with CCS. The bike was at the dealer for a few hours getting the 600 mile service done and it was only 10 miles to the DCFC so there is no way the battery got heated from that. I got my firmware updated during the service and I was hoping it would fix the issue with L1 charging time determination. Right now it still shows 9hr 59 minutes as it has for the past few hours of charging. At some point I guess it really be 9hr and 59 hours till fully charged but I think that is several hours from now.

On my previous Eva Greenlots were the fastest chargers, tapering started later than EVGO did. But Greenlots has turned off all of their DCFC in North Carolina so trying one isn't an option. I may try ChargePoint and see what happens.
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2020, 11:24:13 AM »

Right now it still shows 9hr 59 minutes as it has for the past few hours of charging. At some point I guess it really be 9hr and 59 hours till fully charged but I think that is several hours from now.
As a software developer myself, I think they decided to make 10 hours the maximum that can be shown on the dash. They could have added a ">" sign somewhere, but clearly Energica doesn't employ many UX designers :)
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2020, 04:47:33 PM »

DC charging is with green battery: 23 kWh - 75A


With yellow battery 13 kWh - 43A

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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2020, 04:52:23 PM »

... I think they decided to make 10 hours the maximum that can be shown on the dash. ...

Correct, that is the max displayed and agree the > would be a nice feature
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2020, 01:22:01 AM »

But why would you ever do that? I am not understanding the logic behind having a max reading of 9hrs, 59 minutes when the reality is the charge time could be over twice that.
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2020, 02:25:01 AM »

But why would you ever do that? I am not understanding the logic behind having a max reading of 9hrs, 59 minutes when the reality is the charge time could be over twice that.
Not apologizing for Energica, but those are Italian bikes where 220V is common. You'd recharge it at up to 2.3 kW using the supplied Granny charger. That'd be around 10h.
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2020, 10:05:07 PM »

Is the 75A limit only in newer versions of firmware? Currently, I can charge at 80A.
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2020, 02:47:48 PM »

I have the latest firmware and 75A is the max charging speed for CCS.
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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2020, 09:02:40 PM »

I have the latest firmware and 75A is the max charging speed for CCS.
Does anybody here know what the usable  battery voltage range is on the Energicas?

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Re: Charging the 2020 Eva Ribelle
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2020, 09:05:50 PM »

I think I read somewhere in this forum there's a small risk of blowing a fuse when charging at 80 amps, maybe I should limit it until I get the update.
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