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[Crissa]

My spouse's scrambler is plenty more competent on a rough road than my S despite weighing more.

-Crissa

[Richard230]

The first time I saw the term "Scrambler" was in a 1959 Sears Roebuck catalog. Photo attached.

[DonTom]

The first time I saw the term "Scrambler" was in a 1959 Sears Roebuck catalog. Photo attached.

One thing I think they have in common is a muffler that is up high. But what is the difference between a dual sport and a scrambler?

Here it says my  Moto Guzzi Stelvio is a "dual sport". I cannot find anywhere where on the web where a "scrambler" is defined, but many models use "scrambler" in their model name., such as my old 1967 Honda CL350 Scrambler.

See here for the Honda "Scramblers".

And see here and here.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Back on topic: the SR/F Premium is offered with a 12KW charging option, presumably by filling up the tank space with another pair of 3KW chargers to add to the two already squeezed in on board somewhere. Given Zero's track record on OBC reliability it just sounds to me like having 4x the probability of breaking though.

Cas

I don't know if Zero is "on topic" in an Energica thread.   Not that I care.

Do those four 3KW chargers used in the SR/S & SR/F have fans to help keep them cool?  The Energica uses a fan in its 3 KW charger, which was the very first thing to crap out in my Energica.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Sklith]

My perfect Energica would be like mine except 200 lbs lighter. Some major advances in battery tech will get us there, but that's at least a decade out.

[DonTom]

My perfect Energica would be like mine except 200 lbs lighter. Some major advances in battery tech will get us there, but that's at least a decade out.

Why do you find the weight of the Energica to be an issue?

I feel quite the opposite. They could make it even heavier as long as I get the features I want.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Heavy means worse handling, Don.  And more skill needed.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Heavy means worse handling, Don.  And more skill needed.-Crissa

Mine handles fine as is. But I kinda ride like a little old lady anyway. I mainly ride to go places-- to get from one place to the other. I ain't an Adrenalin  junky.

That's why I ain't into sport bikes. I am a touring rider, so handling isn't all that important to me.

I also enjoy riding my 1,000 lb Harley as much as any other bike. And that is the most comfy bike I own for a long trip.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Heavy means worse handling, Don.  And more skill needed.

-Crissa

I know a guy who can race up to VA City (many shape curves) on his 1,000 LB Harley with his wife on the rear. I cannot keep up with him solo  on any bike I own. That's what I would call skill. A skill I don't have and don't even care to have. Not even after my 55 years of riding motorcycles.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Sklith]

Why do you find the weight of the Energica to be an issue?

I feel quite the opposite. They could make it even heavier as long as I get the features I want.

-Don-  Reno, NV

It's simply a matter of handling in tight corners in the mountains. Getting my bike to to lean quickly isn't so easy.

[DonTom]

It's simply a matter of handling in tight corners in the mountains. Getting my bike to to lean quickly isn't so easy.

How often is that an issue at the speed limit and / or at the recommended speeds for the curves?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

It's simply a matter of handling in tight corners in the mountains. Getting my bike to to lean quickly isn't so easy.

How often is that an issue at the speed limit and / or at the recommended speeds for the curves?

That's why it takes more skill, Don.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

That's why it takes more skill, Don.

-Crissa

I can usually even ride my Harley at the speed limit (black on white or white on black  signs there in CA) or at least the  suggested curve speeds (yellow background) anywhere, so I just don't see much of an issue unless I have a speed junky tailgating me.

Perhaps the main reason electric bikes are my favorite to ride is because they ride slow very well. No need to keep up the RPMs even on the hills. And downhill in curves is much like being in 6th and first gear at the same time on an ICE  bike (at least on the Energica with max regen). The Zero max regen doesn't compare to the Energica's regen.

But I wish Energica would add regen with the brake as Zero does. That's another thing I would like on my "perfect Energica", but that won't be enough to make or brake (pun intended) the deal. I would  also prefer such on my Tesla. Then I would probably use a lower deceleration regen setting. But on the Energica and Tesla, they would not be able to use the brake light voltage for that. The Energica is like the Tesla, the brake light comes on even when the brakes are not touched, which is a must for any vehicle that has a lot of deceleration regen. So it means they must add another switch and perhaps that is why it isn't done on such vehicles.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Oh, yeah.  Like a thumb dial and/or left-hand analog regen control.

Dial it right to the hill.  Some EV cars do that with their cruise control.  My mom's does it by controlling the automatic transmission and braking.  (Less good, but kinda cool.)

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Oh, yeah.  Like a thumb dial and/or left-hand analog regen control.

Dial it right to the hill.  Some EV cars do that with their cruise control. 

My Tesla M3 does for the cruse control. But IIRC, it's on the right, and the left is the audio  volume. But not sure, it's been months since I moved my Tesla out of the garage and I really don't remember. Another thing I like about EVs is that you can use the cruise control on the steepest hills with no issues. In an ICE vehicle it's a good way to ruin an auto tranny, especially if one doesn't know to turn off the OD.

The Tesla, IIRC, has three selections for the regen. I just leave it ( and everything else) at the default which is the highest regen.

-Don-  Reno, NV