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[DonTom]

IMO, the perfect Energica would need a couple of more things, and would force me to buy another.

I would want the 2022 SS9+ (or Ribelle)  to charge faster on both, DC as well as AC. If it's more WH capacity, why can't it accept a faster CCS charge than my SS9- ?

I would want it to have a 6KW  AC charger. CCS is not available in many locations. 3 KW is fine for home use, but sometimes we only can find J-1772 on the road and no CCS. 6KW is fast enough to make it useful even while on the road.

The other thing I would want (even at the cost of a little extra weight) is a center stand that makes it easy to remove either wheel. Such would also help with chain maintenance and countess other things.

Anyway, those are the main things I would want.

Not that I expect it to happen this year, as I assume the pandemic has slowed down hopes for any new models soon.

What would others want to see on the next years models?

It's fine with me if they jack up the price a couple of thousand bucks just so I get exactly what I want.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[princec]

I'd want 12KW AC charging, a 30KWh battery, and a 20kg weight reduction, for the no more than the price of a fully-loaded 1250GS. First manufacturer manages this particular combination gets all of my money.

Cas

[DonTom]

I'd want 12KW AC charging, a 30KWh battery, and a 20kg weight reduction, for the no more than the price of a fully-loaded 1250GS. First manufacturer manages this particular combination gets all of my money.

Cas

I don't care much about the weight, I am used to my 1,000 lb Harley and it has no reverse (but I wish it did)!  12 KW charging won't do much good here in the USA as most J1772 stations are only good to 7 or so KWs. A few can only do 5.5 KW.  I don't know why, as my Tesla Wall Connector can do the full 12 KW so I would think all 240 VAC charging stations would be around there in max capacity.

But with a 50 amp TeslaTap and a 12 KW Tesla Destination charge stn  should get the 12 KW even here in the USA, but they are not nearly as common as J-1772 in most areas, and many Tesla Destination charge stations  are private at motels and such and often are only for guests.

12 KW is probably asking for too much for an Energica. Zero can do such because of the tank, but they don't have the CCS charge.

A 30KW battery with a weight reduction and 12 KW AC charging is asking for too much, IMO.  I would think that would take too much room, so where would they put such?

I realize they can use four 3 KW chargers, but still where will they find the room? And more battery as well?

I think you will have to wait a few more years for what you want. I think what I want can be done by their next new model.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[princec]

I am indeed resigned to waiting. I'd still go for a current model if the price dropped about a third though.

Cas

[Crissa]

How about one with longer shocks and ss9+ scrambler style, nubby tires to glide over rough mountain roads?

-Crissa

[DonTom]

How about one with longer shocks and ss9+ scrambler style, nubby tires to glide over rough mountain roads?

-Crissa

Get a Zero DS for that! 

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

How about one with longer shocks and ss9+ scrambler style, nubby tires to glide over rough mountain roads?

Get a Zero DS for that! 

A Zero DS is:
A) not an Energica
B) not a scrambler
...among other things.

-Crissa

[PWM]

Charger power capacity is proportional to physical size unless ground-breaking efficiencies are made, no?

So then, were you gonna put it?

Unless the tail section becomes allot more porky I don't see this happening unless one is thinking a standalone unit.

Maybe I'm missing something....sorry, I don't mean to poo-poo the idea  .

[DonTom]

A Zero DS is:
A) not an Energica
B) not a scrambler
...among other things.

-Crissa

Then go for the FX if you want to go more dirty.  I cannot see Energica getting into dirt bikes.

I find my DS does well enough for me, on both dirt and pavement, especially with my two new Dunlop tires I just put on.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Charger power capacity is proportional to physical size unless ground-breaking efficiencies are made, no?

Is the SS9- and SS9+  battery the same physical  size?  But I think I see what you're getting at.  IOW,  if the battery is not larger in physical size it will have more heat to dissipate in the same amount of space, regardless of the battery KWHs if it charges at more current. But that would be for DC fast charging. The 6KW  charging should be no issue at all.

So then, were you gonna put it?

I am sure the engineers at Energica can figure it out. And I hear the Zero SR/S Premium uses two 3 KW chargers to get their 6 KW. So only the space for one more is needed.

The tail section is fine with me, I want to use it, not look at it!

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Then go for the FX if ...

Do you even know what a scrambler is?

An SS9 could make a pretty good one with some changed out parts.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Then go for the FX if ...

Do you even know what a scrambler is?

An SS9 could make a pretty good one with some changed out parts.

-Crissa

Well, I once owned a 1967 Honda CL350 Scrambler, which then meant somewhat of a dual sport. Does it have a different meaning these days?

-Don-

[princec]

I think so, somehow people now think that 260kg and £20,000 makes a good off-road bike if it's got crap knobblies on it! (See: 1250GS, Triumph, etc). The only manufacturer that really "gets" off-road is KTM, though Yamaha have taken a brave stab at it with the Tenere, unfortunately coming in 50kg too heavy for proper use. KTM's 790 is also too heavy but it's considerably more road-biased than their proper single-cyl bikes.

Back on topic: the SR/F Premium is offered with a 12KW charging option, presumably by filling up the tank space with another pair of 3KW chargers to add to the two already squeezed in on board somewhere. Given Zero's track record on OBC reliability it just sounds to me like having 4x the probability of breaking though.

Cas

[Crissa]

The Charge Tanks have never been installed like the on board charger, so why would they have the same reliability issues?  They're also completely different units.

And a scrambler isn't about being a jacked-up or lightweight bike.  It's just about being competent with a poor road.  Not hopping rocks off road.

-Crissa

[princec]

IME all bikes are roughly equally competent at light off-road duty, with ability directly inversely proportional to weight, and with good sense similarly inversely proportional to price.

I don't know how the extra charging capacity is installed on the Premium, only that they are apparently an option (and a pretty good option at that, as 11KW charging is all over the place here in the UK, and it means a full charge in just over an hour which is almost acceptable)

Cas