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[Richard230]

The BMW dealer in Livermore, CA, has just received a (not cheap or fast) 2021 Vespa Elettrica.
https://www.calmoto.com/new-motorcycles-scooters-for-sale-san-jose-san-francisco-ca--xNewInventory#page=xNewInventory&vt=motorcycle%20%2F%20scooter&make=vespa

[DonTom]

The BMW dealer in Livermore, CA, has just received a (not cheap or fast) 2021 Vespa Elettrica.

What do they charge the battery with?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

The BMW dealer in Livermore, CA, has just received a (not cheap or fast) 2021 Vespa Elettrica.

What do they charge the battery with?

-Don-  Reno, NV

I don't know for sure, but I imagine it is via an onboard charger and a 120V outlet. From that scooter's performance specifications, I gather it has a pretty small battery and motor.

[DonTom]

I don't know for sure, but I imagine it is via an onboard charger and a 120V outlet. From that scooter's performance specifications, I gather it has a pretty small battery and motor.

It has a 4.2 KWH battery, I already checked the specs here, but the charger  watts or charge time is not mentioned anywhere that I could find.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[Richard230]

I don't know for sure, but I imagine it is via an onboard charger and a 120V outlet. From that scooter's performance specifications, I gather it has a pretty small battery and motor.

It has a 4.2 KWH battery, I already checked the specs here, but the charger  watts or charge time is not mentioned anywhere that I could find.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

Well, with a small battery like that, I can't imagine that Vespa would use anything but an L1 charging system, at least not in the U.S.

[TheRan]

Scroll down a bit on this page and it says that it'll charge to full in 4 hours (on 220V) from either a mains socket or a charge station, and it shows a photo of the integrated charge cable which I assume is a J1772 plug.

https://www.vespa.com/en_EN/vespa-models/vespa-elettrica.html

[Richard230]

I am not sure what that cable is.  But a 240V charger would likely not be too popular in the U.S. as most homes have 120V, especially for the typical scooter rider in a city where they probably live in an apartment and might not want to pay for an L2 charge.

[DonTom]

Scroll down a bit on this page and it says that it'll charge to full in 4 hours (on 220V) from either a mains socket or a charge station, and it shows a photo of the integrated charge cable which I assume is a J1772 plug.

It must be around a 1 KW charger if it takes four hours to charge a 4 KWH battery from 0 to full. That's the same output as a Delta-Q charger that Zero uses.

But with that note on the bottom about 240 VAC,  it makes me wonder if the 2021  VE  charges at 500 watts on 120 VAC taking twice the time.  1KW charging would still be possible even at 120 VAC, so it's anybody's guess until we get the full charging specs as it could be done either way.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[TheRan]

I imagine it's multi voltage, the way they word it sounds like they're saying it will charger faster at 220V. Looking closer at the connector it looks like Schuko based off the flat portion, so either they'll bundle some sort of adapter with it or count on people using stations with a regular mains outlet.

[Crissa]

Very few homes don't have 240Vac in the US.  Some have 208Vac, but those are mostly apartments.

But a 4.5Kwh charged in four hours is 1.125Kw which is not more than a standard US circuit.

-Crissa

*mod edit for units of measure

[DonTom]

Very few homes don't have 240Vac in the US.  Some have 208Vac, but those are mostly apartments.

But a 4.5Kwh charged in four hours is 1.125Kw which is not more than a standard US circuit.

-Crissa

It seems to me that few homes have 240 VAC in the garage. None of my three houses did, so I had an electrician do such at all three.

CA is probably different with the newer houses. I think I heard that new houses in CA need to be ready for EV charging, which I think means have 240 VAC already wired to the garage.

Many houses here in NV have 240 VAC in the mud room for the clothes drier. One of my houses (the one in Cold Springs Valley) didn't even have that, since it had propane in the mud room.  But it did have 240 VAC hard wired to the air conditioner, but no outlet anywhere.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Well, you can't expect them to wire an outlet to where they don't know yu're charging your car.

But the rails are there to put a circuit in.  That's not so hard.

-Crissa

[princec]

Strikes me that Vespa are probably more interested in their European markets anyway, where we all have 240V.

Cas

[Fran K]

I wandered around the Vespa site and it seems they no longer offer an electric variant that has a gasoline generator and a 0.7 gallon gasoline tank.

There was a model like that last year which had a smaller battery.  I guess it is what comes to mind when hybrid electric is used.

[Richard230]

Very few homes don't have 240Vac in the US.  Some have 208Vac, but those are mostly apartments.

But a 4.5Kwh charged in four hours is 1.125Kw which is not more than a standard US circuit.

-Crissa

*mod edit for units of measure

I don't know anyone who has a 240V outlet in their homes. Of course their homes were all built years ago and are cooking with gas.

BTW, I was looking at Calmoto's Vespa Elettrica descriptions and couldn't find anything in the specifications regarding the motor or charger. But they do have two different models of the Elettrica. One tops out at 45 mph and the other has a top speed of only 30 mph. While the 45 mph version might be useful in a dense urban environment, I have no idea how useful a 30 mph top speed would be even in a congested city like San Francisco - much less around the suburban area of Livermore (which was once farmland), where that BMW/KTM/Energica/Vespa dealership is located.