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[princec]

21KWh! Place bets now.Cas

Think about how long that will take to charge from empty to full with Zero's charging systems.

But not too bad if you have the full 12 KW worth of charging in a place where such is available. Then only  a couple of hours.

-Don-  Reno, NV

I think here in the UK I'd rather have larger battery capacity and hence a guaranteed longer range (a 50 mile round trip) and have the safety and certainty of charging at home (at 240VAC, 3KW still fits into an overnight daily charge schedule), than rely on the network of broken/dodgy/expensive chargers dotted around the countryside here. For the next 10 years or so I think battery capacity is the determining factor in the UK, because our public charging infrastructure is frankly hopeless, despite the frothy rantings of a few swivel-eyed EV nerds trying to say otherwise.

Cas

[Richard230]

It's not like they stopped making the 14.4 S model.  They still sold them in Europe, so there is absolutely NO REASON they couldn't sell them here too. Even if they didn't sell well here, THEY WERE STILL MAKING THEM!!!!  They just didn't sell them here.  We're not talking about emission control differences so how big a deal would it be to sell a US-compliant 14.4 S model if they were already making a Euro-compliant version??  Considering how many parts are in common with the SR?  Shouldn't cost them a DAMN thing more.

All three Zeros that I purchased were ordered though a dealer, secured by a deposit, and only then were my bikes manufactured at the factory and sent to my dealer for me to buy.  So I don't get why the 14.4 S models are not sold in the U.S.  It would seem to me that all you should need to do is to order one and wait for Zero to make it and ship it to your dealer. That is what I did to get my 2018 16.6 S Zero in November 2017. I wonder why they changed their marketing plan here?    Unless there are significant and costly differences between DOT and EU legislative requirements that must be updated each year. I guess that is possible.

With government regulations being different all over the world, I suppose that paperwork is more of an issue that building a product. If that is the case, it is a real shame.  I have always thought that motorcycles should be able to have a worldwide design that doesn't need to be changed to be sold in each different country. (Other than perhaps having English or Metric displays, which anyway can be changed simply by the push of a button as was the case with my 2012 Zero S.)

[Crissa]

Different countries have different lighting requirements, differing rquirementss for braking and motor strength.

The US doesn't have motor limits, so it makes no sense for them to upsell the smaller motor.

And they were tryng to get away from custom-built bikes, but I doubt it's truly impossible.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

Different countries have different lighting requirements, differing rquirementss for braking and motor strength.

The US doesn't have motor limits, so it makes no sense for them to upsell the smaller motor.

And they were tryng to get away from custom-built bikes, but I doubt it's truly impossible.

Other than the motor and the controller, the S and the SR are the EXACT SAME bike.  It would cost them NOTHING to build the 14.4 version of the "S" bike for the US because they're already building nearly the same bike. 

[Crissa]

It would cost them NOTHING to build the 14.4 version of the "S" bike for the US because they're already building nearly the same bike.

Except... Promoting and building a different configurations is a cost.  You guys are asking for them to promote it.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

It would cost them NOTHING to build the 14.4 version of the "S" bike for the US because they're already building nearly the same bike.

Except... Promoting and building a different configurations is a cost.  You guys are asking for them to promote it.

Again:  A NIT.  The option page would have two configurations: 7.2kWh and 14.4 kWh.  Like they already have in Europe and they used to have here.  I don't see how that is any different from having two different configurations for the SR/F and the SR/S.  Especially since it was done already.  The only expense would be changing the color of the bike used on the page.

[Auriga]

Different countries have different lighting requirements, differing rquirementss for braking and motor strength.

The US doesn't have motor limits, so it makes no sense for them to upsell the smaller motor.

And they were tryng to get away from custom-built bikes, but I doubt it's truly impossible.

Other than the motor and the controller, the S and the SR are the EXACT SAME bike.  It would cost them NOTHING to build the 14.4 version of the "S" bike for the US because they're already building nearly the same bike. 

Given limited production ability, it costs them the ability to build a bike that would sell faster. And it costs them to store the bike longer, waiting for it to sell. It costs them to ship bikes from the factory or between dealers to fulfill demand for a specific model. Dealers are less likely to order more bikes if the ones they have are still around.

I guess in the US cost conscious people went for the FX, then the SR/DSR for the middle, and the SRF/SRS for the high end. I imagine the SR/DSR will be replaced soonish with something based on the SRF's technology.

[Crissa]

I don't see how that is any different from having two different configurations for the SR/F and the SR/S.

Because they're selling more of those.

Custom orders are a drain on resources, so they try to do that as little as possible.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

The flaw in your argument is that they ARE building the bike.  They just aren't selling it in the US.  Your argument would make sense if they discontinued the bike altogether but THEY'RE STILL BUILDING IT!

[Crissa]

The flaw in your argument is that selling a bike is a cost.  Marketing, support isn't free.

-Crissa

[TheRan]

Marketing really isn't an issue, support isn't either because the only different part (the battery) is already used in the R models. Having the 3.6 models in Europe would involve additional cost because currently there are no 3.6 modules or the associated mounting hardware over here.

[Crissa]

You keep handwaving this cost away, but it's a real cost.

They have only so many hours to do everything, and you're asking them to do more, for little profit.

-Crissa

[TheRan]

But is the additional cost really that significant? Adding the 14.4 configuration to the site wouldn't cost anything and I doubt Zero spend a huge amount on advertising, do they even mention capacity in the Google ads (I have adblocker so I've never seen them) and do they have an ad for every single configuration that currently exists (that includes both the 7.2 and the 14.4 in Europe, and the 3.6 and 7.2 in America)?

There are obviously people that want a 14.4 non-R so it's not like it wouldn't sell at all, would they really need to sell that many to cover the cost of advertising?

[Richard230]

But is the additional cost really that significant? Adding the 14.4 configuration to the site wouldn't cost anything and I doubt Zero spend a huge amount on advertising, do they even mention capacity in the Google ads (I have adblocker so I've never seen them) and do they have an ad for every single configuration that currently exists (that includes both the 7.2 and the 14.4 in Europe, and the 3.6 and 7.2 in America)?

There are obviously people that want a 14.4 non-R so it's not like it wouldn't sell at all, would they really need to sell that many to cover the cost of advertising?

It obviously had to do with how Zero wants to market their bikes in the U.S. My guess is that they want the SR/F and S models to appeal to the longer range customer while focusing the smaller battery and less expensive models to commuters. Zero may feel that not having a 14.4 S in the U.S. market likely increases the numbers of the newer SR/F and SR/S platforms that they sell here.

[Crissa]

Most of the cost is the battery.  Same reason Tesla doesn't bother with high-range non-performance models, even though they 'technically' make them.

-Crissa