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[Auriga]

I wish they introduce a much less bulkier version of the 1kW quick charger.

Then it wouldn't be as reliable.  And more expensive.

-Criss

They could probably do this if it had a fan, like the FST chargers do.  But that wouldn't be backpackable.
I think any real changes to Zero bikes will come on/to FST bikes, or new models built on the FST platform.

They'll never say it, but I'm not sure I'd expect any Gen 2 bikes to get much. I'd love to be wrong though.

[DonTom]

I wish they introduce a much less bulkier version of the 1kW quick charger. Will come in handy to carry it around in say like a backpack instead of using up saddlebag space. Would be good to get a total of 8.3kW (including the CT) dub-J charging power!

I charge my 2017 Zero SR as much as 7.9 KW by carrying two 3.3 KW chargers wired into the motor controller. And these cost little more than the Delta Q's.

They do take up most of the side case space. But I only bring them when necessary. They weight around 11.5 lbs each, so they are up to the 5 KG weight limit. There is some room left over, but you're already at the weight limit for Zero's side cases.

They measure about 8.75" long, 5.5 " high, about 4" wide weight less than 12 lbs each, 3.3 KW each.

I see you're in San Jose. Start here and then it will be done on e-mail from there, if you're interested.

Elcon is in Sacramento. No too far from you.  I picked mine up from their shop.

These chargers  will be programmed for around 115 VDC max.  That is around  95% SOC. Your OBC will get the last 5% when necessary.

You probably also want to read this thread. But that is NOT the same charger as I am using but is about half the price and can be mounted on the Bike (at least Shadow has done such).

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[shayan]

Cool thanks Don! I'll consider this when i'm back on longer rides again. 1.8kW would work best though, without getting too close to 1C for the 13kWh pack..

[DonTom]

Cool thanks Don! I'll consider this when i'm back on longer rides again. 1.8kW would work best though, without getting too close to 1C for the 13kWh pack..

I-C means  the battery current capacity times 1, IIRC. You can get very close to the nominal wattage of your 13KWH pack.  I would expect at least a ten KW charge will be fine.

In fact, doesn't Zero  make a 6 KW charge tank that can be added to the premium models (6KW built in) for a total charging of 12 KW on their 14.4 KWH battery?

i  have charged  my SR 13 at 7.9 KW.  My DS at 6.3 KW (7.2 KWH battery).

The 7.9 KW is higher than many (most?) charge stations. I use two charge stations when I can. If I can't use two, I have the switch added so I can  NOT use the OBC and still remove the key.

The reason to only add 1.8 KW would be the price and the small size that you can mount on the bike as Shadow did. 

I carry my two 3.3 KW chargers  as needed for longer trips, in my Zero sidebags.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[JaimeC]

Well it seems like there's a major change over here in Europe, looks like they've dropped the 7.2 S and DS. Makes absolutely no sense and it wouldn't surprise me if this makes older 7.2 models go up in value.

Wait, WHAT???  You can't get the 7.2 models and we can't get the 14.4 models??  WTF??

[TheRan]

Well it seems like there's a major change over here in Europe, looks like they've dropped the 7.2 S and DS. Makes absolutely no sense and it wouldn't surprise me if this makes older 7.2 models go up in value.

Wait, WHAT???  You can't get the 7.2 models and we can't get the 14.4 models??  WTF??

I know, it's absolutely crazy. Loads of people were hoping that they'd bring the 14.4 non-R models back to America but instead they've gone and axed another model in Europe, one which I would have thought was selling very well. Once all the 2020 models have been sold the only options for light and cheap models will be the FX and FXS.

Note that I haven't seen anything actually saying that they're no longer going to sell them, they're just not on the site anymore. I was thinking perhaps it was just a mistake but it's the same on all the European sites.

[princec]

Maybe we can assume that Zero won't axe products in markets in which they are making a profit, ergo....

Cas

[valnar]

The one positive I see from all this is my FXS lives another year.  With several years of the same basic style, maybe the aftermarket will pick up and give me more farkles.  There is a lot more for the S/DS-R series.

[Richard230]

Having invested in three "S" models in the past, two with Power Tanks, I am very disappointed to see the larger capacity battery models dropped from Zero's 2021 model line. I don't need the power, cost, or insurance expense of an SR model. The S fits my type of riding and range requirements perfectly. If I was in the market for a new electric motorcycle right now, I am not sure what I would do. I would love to buy an Energica, if only they were 100 pounds lighter.

And I agree that if the 7.4 S was discontinued in the EU that would seem to be a big mistake to me, considering that the distances traveled in Europe are likely less than in the U.S., with a larger percentage of in-town riding. It would certainly be interesting to know what marketing decisions have resulted in this change in Zero's lineup, unless they have some other products coming down the line next year.    I wonder if their new partnership with Polaris has influenced some of these decisions? 

[Crissa]

I wonder if this was from dealer feedback or regulatory hoops they could no longer jump through.

-Crissa

[Demoni]

It would certainly be interesting to know what marketing decisions have resulted in this change in Zero's lineup.

IMO it's less a marketing decision and more of a financial one. A 7.3 and 14.4 version of a bike take up the same space in a European bound shipping container but the 7.3 nets Zero less profit.

What strikes is how muted most of the color offerings are, lots of cool earth tones.

[Crissa]

They're pushing an ad on Youtube now.



Got it in front of a Cybertruck video.

-Crissa

[TheRan]

It would certainly be interesting to know what marketing decisions have resulted in this change in Zero's lineup.

IMO it's less a marketing decision and more of a financial one. A 7.3 and 14.4 version of a bike take up the same space in a European bound shipping container but the 7.3 nets Zero less profit.

Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't think it's that simple. A gold plated bike would net even more profit and take up the same space, but they're not going to sell many of those. Same goes for bikes with a CT or PT, if all they care about is maximising profits why are they selling anything other than the most expensive model? They're still selling the 7.2 FX and FXS which are slightly cheaper and so make even less profit.

[Richard230]

It would certainly be interesting to know what marketing decisions have resulted in this change in Zero's lineup.

IMO it's less a marketing decision and more of a financial one. A 7.3 and 14.4 version of a bike take up the same space in a European bound shipping container but the 7.3 nets Zero less profit.

Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't think it's that simple. A gold plated bike would net even more profit and take up the same space, but they're not going to sell many of those. Same goes for bikes with a CT or PT, if all they care about is maximising profits why are they selling anything other than the most expensive model? They're still selling the 7.2 FX and FXS which are slightly cheaper and so make even less profit.

Perhaps another possible explanation why the 7.2 is no longer being imported into the EU, is that Zero ran into push-back from EU regulators that a 98 mph, 72 lb-ft torque, motorcycle is not something that they want to see sold in Europe because, due to its rated low-power motor, it can be bought by riders with a 125cc "learner" license. 

[Crissa]

Didn't I already say that, Richard?

I wonder if this was from dealer feedback or regulatory hoops they could no longer jump through.

Oh yeah.

It's still a very good bike for learners, though.  It's not like 125s can't be hot-rodded pretty easily.

-Crissa