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[Electric Cowboy]

I totally forgot to post this here! So sorry, I uploaded it 2 weeks ago. The bikes were much better than I expected. Morgan and I would love to get some to toodle around the ranch on. They are no Zero, Energica, or HD, but I think they have a place in the market for low-cost low power commuter.

ENJOY!!!

[TheRan]

-Which bike did you get the top speed and acceleration times on, 10kW or 20kW? The numbers would be surprising for the lower powered bike.
-What's the charger wattage? They say under 8 hours on their site but that's not very precise and it doesn't say which battery capacity that's for.
-Are those really Brembos up front on the 300?
-Did you get a chance to weigh any of the bikes?
-What's the pricing like for the different models and capacities? They only list a single price for each model on the site which I assume is for the lowest capacity.
-Nice to hear that they're taking on board all of your concerns and making the bikes better, however what happens about the ones they've already sold? I'd be pissed if I bought a bike and then a couple weeks or months later an improved version came out, and if I was in the market to buy one it would make me wait (and possibly use that time to save up and get something else).

For the extra grand it seems like you get a good upgrade with the 300, double the power, upside down forks, possibly Brembos. Unfortunately range seems low so you'd need an 11kW/h model to compete with a 7.2kW/h Zero, at which point pricing could be within a grand or less.

[Electric Cowboy]

-Which bike did you get the top speed and acceleration times on, 10kW or 20kW? The numbers would be surprising for the lower powered bike.

10kW motors

-What's the charger wattage? They say under 8 hours on their site but that's not very precise and it doesn't say which battery capacity that's for.

Its a weaker charger, they have 2 models, a 700 and a 1200 watt unit I think. I'd love to get them charging faster.

-Are those really Brembos up front on the 300?

I think they were, but we reccomended they ditch them, totally not needed.

-Did you get a chance to weigh any of the bikes?

We did not weigh them as we were not there long enough and there wasn't an easy way to do it. They felt extremely light like an FX

-What's the pricing like for the different models and capacities? They only list a single price for each model on the site which I assume is for the lowest capacity.

I think the prices on the site are for what they have in stock. It was something tlike 6500-7900 range. I'm sure if you wanted one of the 300x bikes, they would have one for you soon. You just need to ask.

-Nice to hear that they're taking on board all of your concerns and making the bikes better, however what happens about the ones they've already sold? I'd be pissed if I bought a bike and then a couple weeks or months later an improved version came out, and if I was in the market to buy one it would make me wait (and possibly use that time to save up and get something else).

Welcome to being an early adopter. HAs happened with Zeros every other year after the new models specs were released.

For the extra grand it seems like you get a good upgrade with the 300, double the power, upside down forks, possibly Brembos.

Agreed.

Unfortunately range seems low so you'd need an 11kW/h model to compete with a 7.2kW/h Zero, at which point pricing could be within a grand or less.

Incorrect. Physics is physics and the data confirms it. The 7kWh zero does not do 70 miles of range at 60-65mph. The 11kWh Boom does. It is just shy of Zeros 14.4 and energicas 13.4 ranges.

Zeros website claims the 7kWh specs for this speed at 45-55 miles range, somewhere around 30-50% less than the booms tested and confirmed range, and Zeros figures are always inflated on their website. Sustained top speed is 80mph for the 7kwh zero, so about onpar with the boom.

The boom is definately a better deal for what you get, but the Zero is definately higher quality. Its really about what you need/want. The boom and Zero are not really comparable apples to apples as the main difference for the price is quality vs quantity. Boom went with quantity for the price, and Zero went with quality for the price. I think both bikes have their own markets and will do well together in the same garage.

[TheRan]

Welcome to being an early adopter. HAs happened with Zeros every other year after the new models specs were released.

That's not really the same thing. A lot of product change every year and typically no more frequent than that. As far as I know the only change Zero has made mid year is switching to IPM motors. These BM bikes on the other hand could end up changing every month, how would we even tell them apart at that point? Model years won't work so are they giving them version numbers?

Incorrect. Physics is physics and the data confirms it. The 7kWh zero does not do 70 miles of range at 60-65mph. The 11kWh Boom does. It is just shy of Zeros 14.4 and energicas 13.4 ranges.

Zeros website claims the 7kWh specs for this speed at 45-55 miles range, somewhere around 30-50% less than the booms tested and confirmed range, and Zeros figures are always inflated on their website. Sustained top speed is 80mph for the 7kwh zero, so about onpar with the boom.

It's been a while since I watched the video so I went back to check (nice job on adding time stamps btw, lots of reviewers don't bother) and the 7kW/h models got 31/32 miles and the 11kW/h got 70 miles. You didn't mention speed but I assumed around 60mph and below and looking at the dash on the time lapse that looks about right. Just over 30 miles at that speed is a fair bit worse than a 7.2kW/h Zero.

Regarding the top speed run, at the point in the video that you're discussing that (around 11:40) are those videos of the dashes from the same run where you got an indicated 89mph on GPS? Neither dash went over 86mph from what I could see and it seemed like a solid limit with no wavering. If that is the case then legally a speedo display a speed lower than what you're actually going (for obvious reasons), so either the speedo is illegal (and could result in people accidentally getting speeding tickets) or your GPS is off.

As an aside, under EU law a bike showing 86mph on the dash could be going as little as 71mph while still being within regulation. I doubt many bikes are actually that inaccurate but it just goes to show how little trust can be put into a speedo capture.

[MVetter]

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[NEW2elec]

My thoughts on these bikes and the review.
I feel you guys are being honest.  I think you pointed out flaws as well as some more positive points.
Yall went over the way the bikes rode not just the spec numbers to add your riding experience of electric motorcycles to the review.
Nice job and should be valuable feedback for the company.

Now the bikes. 
Things like the full real metal gas tank show up in most of these China bikes.  It shows there is about 0% engineering towards making an electric motorcycle and is something that they threw together as the flavor of the month so it could sell.  If they heard that people wanted a fish tank on the front of the bike then they would put one there if it would sell.

For China or India or some other low income nation these might be fine.  Although that really depends on the price vs a small moped.
In the last year of commuting my DSR's power has gotten me out of 3 different wrecks by being able to shoot tight gaps and not get crushed by dumb drivers.
Thus the speed on most US roads along with so many SUVs and big rigs makes being under powered just too dangerous.
When you have to struggle to think of a good use for something then it's not really needed and won't be very successful.

New rider?  For about a month.  Super crowded cities?  Better, cheaper, or more powerful and broader use options.
Maybe an off road offering would be an ok option for these power specs but these are street bikes.

Final concerns.
Where would someone go to have them serviced?  How long until realistic major failure of components?  Any real resale market?
What would the battery life and range degradation look like?

I look at the old Brammo Enertia and see these bikes but in very fake sport bike costumes.  They may work out somewhere but not a good offering in the US in my opinion.
But keep trying.