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[Electric_Adventures]

I’m going to be taking my Zero on an 800 mile trip soon and I’m planning on tent camping between stops and at my destination.  I have a charge tank but I’m not sure where to look for the best prices/most reliability for a Nema adapter for the Zero’s charging.  Can anybody list some options with pros/cons of different adapters available?

[shayan]

Here's the one i have: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Dual-Voltage-EV-Portable-Smart-Charger-Plus/353124775094?hash=item5237e074b6:g:5bgAAOSwkIde-8Vt
Looks like other than ebay this one is not available anymore. However, it works great!

[TEV]

Here's the one i have: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deluxe-Dual-Voltage-EV-Portable-Smart-Charger-Plus/353124775094?hash=item5237e074b6:g:5bgAAOSwkIde-8Vt
Looks like other than ebay this one is not available anymore. However, it works great!

This one can only do 16A, the Charge Tank will work, but only at half of is capacity,  if those camp outlets are 50 Amps, then you need an EVSE that can do at least 32A, in order to be able to use your Charge Tank at full power.

[DonTom]

I’m going to be taking my Zero on an 800 mile trip soon and I’m planning on tent camping between stops and at my destination.  I have a charge tank but I’m not sure where to look for the best prices/most reliability for a Nema adapter for the Zero’s charging.  Can anybody list some options with pros/cons of different adapters available?

See here.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[DonTom]

I’m going to be taking my Zero on an 800 mile trip soon and I’m planning on tent camping between stops and at my destination.  I have a charge tank but I’m not sure where to look for the best prices/most reliability for a Nema adapter for the Zero’s charging.  Can anybody list some options with pros/cons of different adapters available?

Can somebody here tell me if the ADDED Zero Charge tanks (for the plain S, SR and DS, DSR, etc) come with a granny cable?

What I really want to know is if the ADDED charge tanks are compatible with 120 VAC charging.  Anybody here have the  specs for the input voltage specs  of the ADDED  (not the SR and SR/F)  charge tanks?

I have never owned a charge tank, I just want to know what they use for the charger (or the AC input voltage  specs of it).

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Crissa]

No, they don't, because the Charge Tank doesn't replace the On Board Charger.

Which is sort of an in-built granny-cable.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

No, they don't, because the Charge Tank doesn't replace the On Board Charger.

Which is sort of an in-built granny-cable.

-Crissa

IIRC, the OBC is part of the charge tank to get that extra 1.3 KW to add to the charger used in the charge tank.  But since the OBC will accept 120 VAC, I  would think there is a good chance the charge tank will also. I don't know what charger the added charge tanks have.

A granny cable does not change voltage, wattage or anything. All it does is convert outlets to J-1772. But  if the added charge tank is not designed for a granny cable, there is a chance  the tank will not accept 120 VAC. I kinda assume it will, but I want to know for certain.  I can find no AC input specs on the charge  tanks. If they come with a granny cable, then I will assume they can be used on 120 VAC, but that will have very little  advantage over the OBC, as around 1.92 KW is the safe limit from a 120 VAC outlet anyway (120 VAC times 16   <the standard -20% for safety from a 20 amp Circuit Breaker>).

So there is also a good chance that the charge tank will only accept 240 VAC as there is no real advantage for it to also accept 120 VAC.  IIRC, you can still charge with the OBC only and not use the charge tank at all. It will automatically disconnect the charge tank if there is power going into the OBC, (IIRC).

I figure the odds are close to  50-50 of the added tank option working with 120 VAC.

What I am really curious about is the granny cables I modified. I know they will work on 240 VAC on any J-1772 input, no exceptions. But the added Charge Tanks on the S, SR, DS, DSR may or may not work with 120 VAC and since there is no real advantage over the OBC for 120 VAC, there is a chance it will not work at all with 120 VAC. But then again, it could, if a standard EV charger is used in the added tanks.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[TheRan]

The OBC and Charge Tank aren't tied together, otherwise you wouldn't be able to use it on a 7.2kW/h bike as it could result in more than 1C charging. Zero specifically mentions not to use both at the same time on these bikes (don't remember if it's in the bike's manual or one for the Charge Tank). The J-1772 standard is 120-240v unlike Mennekes so it should be able take a regular granny charger.

[TEV]

Can somebody here tell me if the ADDED Zero Charge tanks (for the plain S, SR and DS, DSR, etc) come with a granny cable?

What I really want to know is if the ADDED charge tanks are compatible with 120 VAC charging.  Anybody here have the  specs for the input voltage specs  of the ADDED  (not the SR and SR/F)  charge tanks?

I have never owned a charge tank, I just want to know what they use for the charger (or the AC input voltage  specs of it).

-Don-  Auburn, CA

I can confirm that the 6KW Charge Tank is working at 120V, but it will have to be an 120V EVSE.

[DonTom]

I can confirm that the 6KW Charge Tank is working at 120V, but it will have to be an 120V EVSE.

So then a granny cable should work with it  on 120 VAC.

How many KW charge  can you get with 120 VAC from the charge tank?  Is it more than just running the OBC alone?

Another possibility is the charge tank is not turned on with 120 VAC and it all just goes to the OBC and makes no  difference in charging time.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[DonTom]

The OBC and Charge Tank aren't tied together, otherwise you wouldn't be able to use it on a 7.2kW/h bike as it could result in more than 1C charging. Zero specifically mentions not to use both at the same time on these bikes (don't remember if it's in the bike's manual or one for the Charge Tank). The J-1772 standard is 120-240v unlike Mennekes so it should be able take a regular granny charger.

See here.

" The Charge Tank operates in combination with the on-board charger without the need for separate connection. If connected to a 240 volt circuit, the Charge Tank will initiate charging at 10 amps to deliver a total of 2.4 kW of charging"


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Crissa]

The Charge Tank effectively triples the on-board charging speed of 2015 and later Zero S, SR, DS and DSR motorcycles when used with level 2 charging stations on the J1772 standard. This dealer-installed 2.5 kW charger works in tandem with the standard on-board 1.3kW charger to deliver a total of 3.8 kW of charging power.

Weirdly it says this in the first paragraph of the document, how did you miss that, Don?

Anyhow, it doesn't change my statement:  The existing on board charger is still there, so it's a granny cable of sorts.

-Crissa

[TheRan]

The OBC and Charge Tank aren't tied together, otherwise you wouldn't be able to use it on a 7.2kW/h bike as it could result in more than 1C charging. Zero specifically mentions not to use both at the same time on these bikes (don't remember if it's in the bike's manual or one for the Charge Tank). The J-1772 standard is 120-240v unlike Mennekes so it should be able take a regular granny charger.

See here.

" The Charge Tank operates in combination with the on-board charger without the need for separate connection. If connected to a 240 volt circuit, the Charge Tank will initiate charging at 10 amps to deliver a total of 2.4 kW of charging"


-Don-  Auburn, CA

Those are the older Charge Tanks, the 6kW ones are completely separate (hence why the bike needs to be keyed on the start charging unlike the OBC) and will need a separate cable to be used alongside the OBC. That's also why I said it would be over 1C on a 7.2kW/h bike, 6+1.3.

[Crissa]

Those are the older Charge Tanks, the 6kW ones are completely separate...

...And I don't think they're available for the S-frame bikes, either.  They're not on Zero's website, they only list the old ones.

The F-platform bikes come with a granny cable.

-Crissa

PS:  No, yes, the newer Charge Tank is faster.  I was wrong.  I wish their accessory catalog was better.  There's no manual online for the 2019 Charge Tanks.  https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/owner-resources/

[DonTom]

The Charge Tank effectively triples the on-board charging speed of 2015 and later Zero S, SR, DS and DSR motorcycles when used with level 2 charging stations on the J1772 standard. This dealer-installed 2.5 kW charger works in tandem with the standard on-board 1.3kW charger to deliver a total of 3.8 kW of charging power.

Weirdly it says this in the first paragraph of the document, how did you miss that, Don?

Anyhow, it doesn't change my statement:  The existing on board charger is still there, so it's a granny cable of sorts.

-Crissa

I missed what? And what granny cable? It's just a cable with no indicators, no electronics, unlike a granny cable.

The OBC adds to the charge tank power. It would be a dumb design to not use both with  240 VAC charging.


-Don-  Auburn, CA