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motorrad36

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powertank ineligible for connection?
« on: May 12, 2020, 12:23:14 PM »

I've not seen this come up before. I checked the unofficial manual and both this entry and the "power decay too steep, restarting sevcon" do not have any info.

01940     05/01/2020 07:37:45   Powertank voltage too high and monolith ineligible for connection. Setting powertank as ineligible for connecton.

 02103     05/02/2020 13:23:47   Precharge Decay Too Steep. Restarting Sevcon.

There are about a dozen instances of each. 2015 18.0 SR, and I use 6.6kW (really more like 5.5?) of diginows. can post logs too.
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2020, 01:27:15 PM »

What are you doing with the bike at the time?

Someone else had a voltage mismatch and it was a sign one of the battery packs (their power tank or charge tank) was failing.

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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2020, 05:30:56 PM »

I will assume that you left the motorcycle at a low  charging state for a long period of time (by the new charging/storage theory,  and that may be ok with the SRF and SRS, because they have a new BMS) and now the cells are out of ballance and the main pack and the Power tank can't get to the same voltage,  so the BMS won't connect them in parallel.  They will, probably,  have to be individualy charged and balanced  to the same voltage,  so they can safely be reconnected in parallel. Just my 2 cents.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2020, 05:33:21 PM by TEV »
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2020, 05:42:54 PM »

I saw reports, that on the older models, after they went with "let it stay over the winter at SOC 60%" when charging back to 100%, the cells inbalance made the battery pack to appear that it had lost capacity, and will take a few discharge/charge cycles until they got balanced back. In your case it's going to be a little more tricky because of the Power tank.
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2020, 11:07:15 PM »

I've not seen this come up before. I checked the unofficial manual and both this entry and the "power decay too steep, restarting sevcon" do not have any info.

01940     05/01/2020 07:37:45   Powertank voltage too high and monolith ineligible for connection. Setting powertank as ineligible for connecton.

 02103     05/02/2020 13:23:47   Precharge Decay Too Steep. Restarting Sevcon.

There are about a dozen instances of each. 2015 18.0 SR, and I use 6.6kW (really more like 5.5?) of diginows. can post logs too.

What version controller do you have for your diginows? Older models did not reduce charge current on powertank bikes and may have had some issues with interpack balancing.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2020, 11:06:52 PM »

No I did not let it sit almost at all. I use my SR and DS for work, and regularly run through full duty cycles. Sometimes I get it down to less than 20%, but I immediately plug it in when I get home and leave it for up to several hours past 100% so it can balance. I think I have the 2.5 controller, As the Bluetooth terminal app says SC- 2.5.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2020, 11:33:52 PM »

Can you use the Zero app to see the cell balance  value?
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2020, 11:56:27 AM »

App shows 3mV.

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2020, 06:42:06 PM »

3mV is very good. But, can you tell if is for the main pack, power tank,  or both in parallel?
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2020, 06:48:52 PM »

EDITED
Also what are your charging values set for charging in the chargers? ( maximum voltage especially). Try a command  with a 1000W of charging power,  and a maximum voltage of 114.5V to give the BMS a better chance for balancing in case that one of the packs is out of balance. But, again,  3mV it's a very good balance.
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2020, 07:01:59 PM »

3mV is very good. But, can you tell if is for the main pack, power tank,  or both in parallel?

On my 2018S with PT, I also see 115 volts at 100% SOC. My balance voltages alternate between 3mV and 5mV, so it would appear that the app is checking at least three separate battery modules.  One of them is likely the Power Tank.   ???
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2020, 07:39:59 PM »

3mV is very good. But, can you tell if is for the main pack, power tank,  or both in parallel?

On my 2018S with PT, I also see 115 volts at 100% SOC.

Sorry, I missed the voltage value at 100% from OP picture (115V), so I edited my previous post.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2020, 07:53:45 PM »

3mV is very good. But, can you tell if is for the main pack, power tank,  or both in parallel?

 My balance voltages alternate between 3mV and 5mV, so it would appear that the app is checking at least three separate battery modules.  One of them is likely the Power Tank.   ???

Unfortunate, I have no experience with the Power Tank, but 3mV and 5mV are only two values, so two batteries: main pack and Power Tank.
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2020, 09:21:41 PM »

And both my main battery and PT are brand new, they got replaced under warranty in late January.
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Re: powertank ineligible for connection?
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2020, 03:54:12 AM »

3mV is very good. But, can you tell if is for the main pack, power tank,  or both in parallel?

 My balance voltages alternate between 3mV and 5mV, so it would appear that the app is checking at least three separate battery modules.  One of them is likely the Power Tank.   ???

Unfortunate, I have no experience with the Power Tank, but 3mV and 5mV are only two values, so two batteries: main pack and Power Tank.

I also see 4mV, but I just didn't mention it, since it was between 3 and 5mV.   ;)
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