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[mistasam]

[Crissa]

Thanks, sam!

-Crissa

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

Nice video. Even if you did lose range, it's likely easy to compensate for it and more by putting on a windscreen.

[mistasam]

Thanks! And yep.. I see understand your desire for a  dustbin fairing more everyday.

[Electrobike]

As usual, I enjoy your vidz !

Two thing catch my attention in this video :
- The first one are the the nice orangy touches in your new suit !
- The second is that in 4 years you only have ~20700 km
Mine has not yet 1 year and already14200 km, I guess I should make a video in 3 years to show how well/bad the battery gets with a more intensive usage of the bike

[JaimeC]

Had to do a conversion since we still use the archaic "Imperial" system... but it looks like in four years you've accumulated 12,862 miles.  Checking my stats: my 2018 S, acquired in October of 2018, has 11,963 miles.  So far I haven't noticed ANY reduction in range.  Zero warranties the battery for five years and basically if it isn't holding at least 80% of capacity then I should be eligible for a replacement under that warranty.

80% is actually still quite a bit of capacity for my needs.  We'll see.  Oh, and your video claims the batteries aren't recyclable?  That's NOT what Zero says...

PS:  I am insanely jealous of the roads you have at your disposal...

[NEW2elec]

Typical propaganda!  The camera just happens to stop just when we all know the bike's battery died and you had to go by a New Zealand Zalmart and get a new one and have it replaced while you waited for 4 hours and then they dumped all the old battery sludge into the town's water supply.  I'm on to your southern hemisphere tricks.       

I might have given you a shout out in the Damon section.  Embrace the awesome!

I saw this was recorded pre lock down, yall stay safe down there.

[talon]

There's a video somewhere where a Zero employee says the electrolyte (and possibly other components) in the battery is totally non-toxic and you could basically eat it with a spoon. Also, I think since Cobalt prices skyrocketed we may see recycling li-chemistry batteries become much bigger (or rapidly getting away from NMC chemistry altogether). Our NMC batteries are ~15% by weight if memory serves.. so with Cobalt at $15/lb and assuming a ZF14.4 weighs 180lbs there's $2700 there in that one metal. Granted it sounds hard to pull out in decent purity..

[mistasam]

Typical propaganda!  The camera just happens to stop just when we all know the bike's battery died and you had to go by a New Zealand Zalmart and get a new one and have it replaced while you waited for 4 hours and then they dumped all the old battery sludge into the town's water supply.  I'm on to your southern hemisphere tricks.

HAHAHAHAHA that was amazing 

And yeah, you guys are right.  I really need to ride more hahaha.  My wife's commute is really short (20km a day?) and my weekend rides aren't very long since our twisty roads are all so close.  I also walk to work, so motorcycles are just toys for me.  But!  That means I enjoy them 100% of the time I'm riding 

[ESokoloff]

Had to do a conversion since we still use the archaic "Imperial" system... but it looks like in four years you've accumulated 12,862 miles.  Checking my stats: my 2018 S, acquired in October of 2018, has 11,963 miles.  So far I haven't noticed ANY reduction in range.  Zero warranties the battery for five years and basically if it isn't holding at least 80% of capacity then I should be eligible for a replacement under that warranty.

80% is actually still quite a bit of capacity for my needs.  We'll see.  Oh, and your video claims the batteries aren't recyclable?  That's NOT what Zero says...

PS:  I am insanely jealous of the roads you have at your disposal...

Sam, I can save you the wait for your next evaluation. 

My 2016 DSR has 44,340 US miles on the clock & I’ve put all but about 3k of those on in the past 3 years come next month so approx 14.2k mls/yr.

I think there has been a slight reduction in range but nowhere near 20%.

I'll be looking into determining exactly how much degradation has occurred in about a years time as I close in on the end of the five year warranty.

I picked up the bike to serve as my commute vehicle & still have a bit less then 5 years to go to retirement.
If all goes to plan, I will be putting over 100k miles on the bike hopefully with the original battery.
By then I’m sure the MUCH anticipated solid state battery will be available.
Maybe even someone will offer a drop in replacement so you can go farther &/or weigh less

When you mentioned the mountain road that’s closed so you have both sides to yourself, it reminded me of Tuna Cyn rd in the Santa Monica's!!!

[Richard230]

 

[Curt]

I have to point out the misconception at 8:27 because it's presented as fact. There's no way to rationalize that you're getting 110% out of the battery because of regen. Regardless of the number and size of hills and valleys going from point A and point B, it will always take more energy than if the route were flat, for any moving object with any power source.

Regen only makes it very slightly less bad. The primary benefit to regen is conservation of brake pads and rotors. By far the largest determinant of range is speed profile. Fun video notwithstanding, an analysis of range degradation without repeating the same test in the same conditions is not objective. I think the most we can say here is that buying used doesn't suck at all.

[TheRan]

I have to point out the misconception at 8:27 because it's presented as fact. There's no way to rationalize that you're getting 110% out of the battery because of regen. Regardless of the number and size of hills and valleys going from point A and point B, it will always take more energy than if the route were flat, for any moving object with any power source.

Regen only makes it very slightly less bad. The primary benefit to regen is conservation of brake pads and rotors. By far the largest determinant of range is speed profile. Fun video notwithstanding, an analysis of range degradation without repeating the same test in the same conditions is not objective. I think the most we can say here is that buying used doesn't suck at all.

I don't think it's a misconception or wrong, you can travel a further distance with regen than without it. It's essentially recharging the battery while on the move so you can use more than 100% of the energy capacity of the battery.

Sam wasn't saying that if you travel in a hilly area that you'd get 110% of the range as if you weren't on hills, just 110% of the range of if you didn't have regen. Also you don't just need to ride up and down hills to benefit from regen, as Sam said you've got to slow down at some point. The more often you have to slow down and from higher speeds the more you benefit.

[ESokoloff]

It’s my understanding that regen is only 10% effective.
IE if it takes 1,000 watts to get to the top of a rise & you turn around & regen down you will only recover 100 watts. 

True?

[TheRan]

It's not 100% efficient, some energy is lost as heat, and there's also a cap on how much regen Zero will let you have (something like 10% of what the controller is capable of) so chances are you'll need to use the brakes as well which of course won't recover any energy. That said I imagine it's more effective than 10%, if you had a hill gentle enough that you could use regen alone.