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[Richard230]

An article in the business section of my newspaper yesterday, published by Bloomberg News, is titled: "China moves ahead of U.S. about 8-1 in building chargers for electric vehicles".  The article states that: "There are almost as many places to charge your electric vehicle in Beijing as there are in the entire United States."

According to the article, China is considering establishing a target that 60% for all automobiles sold by 2035 will be electric powered. By 2040 China's electric fleet may increase to 162 million vehicles, as forecasted by BloombergNEE.

The nation is building at least 20 "EV towns" for carmakers and ancillary industries and it spent more than $30 billion subsidizing EV sales.  China accounts for more than half of global EV sales.

By the end of last month China had 466,101 public charging points, according to the China Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure Promotion Alliance. That includes more than 54,000 charging stations in Beijing alone. By comparison, there were 60,652 electric  stations in the U.S. as of June 25, according to BNEF. California has the most of any state with 19,000 total, or about the same amount as China adds in an average month.

Globally, there could be as many as 20 million public charging points installed by 2030, the International Energy Agency forecasts.

[DonTom]

The article states that: "There are almost as many places to charge your electric vehicle in Beijing as there are in the entire United States."

Who pays for them in mainland China? And I wonder if they have the same problem we do, many charge stations in the cities, but almost none away from the main freeways and highways.

Not even my Tesla (Long Range--325 miles on the last  OTA FW update) can make it across Hwy 50 here in Nevada as there are no places to charge.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I just checked  mainland China on Plugshare.   Almost every one of their chargers are at hotels / motels.  Get away from those motels/hotels and there is nothing.

China probably requires all of their motels/hotels to have charge stations. But I wonder if you have to stay at such to use them.  That would really be a major problem if that is the case.  I assume they must be open to everybody, perhaps by law.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Doug S]

"...commie China..."

Really? You're showing your own ignorance, pal. Try to grow up and act like an adult.

[DonTom]

Really? You're showing your own ignorance, pal. Try to grow up and act like an adult.

IMO, you're taking my comment too serious.

But to keep everybody happy, I edited that out.

-Don- 

[Crissa]

There are some advantages to an authoritarian regime.  When they want to do something, they do it.  But corollary, when the leaders don't want something, it's dang hard to get them to do it, even in their own interest.

There's alot of RV camps up there, Don, have you thought of calling ahead to use their 50A hookups?

Probably what we need are some loose non-profit or volunteers to go around and help add places to plug in, even if it's just little coin-ops at old stores and campgrounds, places with existing hardware.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

There are some advantages to an authoritarian regime.  When they want to do something, they do it.  But corollary, when the leaders don't want something, it's dang hard to get them to do it, even in their own interest.

I have been to mainland China several times, the last time was in year 2011. First time was in 1981. I have seen quite a bit of change there during those years. I have seen Shenzhen, China (mainland, just above Hong Kong) grow from less than a dozen people to many millions. Most of our  computers come from that area of China. That's the city that changed the rest of China. I have also been to Macau and Hong Kong several times, always on those same trips. I saw Macau go from a dump to a very fancy high class place, thanks to the Casinos and American investments. Last time I was in Macau, it made the Las Vegas strip look like a dump. See here for an example of today's Macau.

There's alot of RV camps up there, Don, have you thought of calling ahead to use their 50v hookups?

I assume you mean 50 amps, not 50v. But still, I am not real sure what you're talking about. Finding juice here in Reno  is easy. Free J1772s all over Reno and Sparks. Along with many RV parks. I don't understand why I would call any RV park around here.  All three of my houses have level two charging at 48 amps in the garages. And I also have an RV--which has a 4KW generator which I have used to charge my Zero DS when boondocking.

Edit: I now see what you're talking about after looking at my past messages here about Hwy 50. Hwy 50 does have several RV parks, just no superchargers. Sounds like it would be a hassle. Kinda like charging a Zero--takes hours.   But if I would take such a route, I would do it in my ICE RV anyway. I doubt if anybody  will make a decent ERV in my lifetime. I wonder if Elon is reading this.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

Getting back to the long article for a moment, I found these comments in the news article interesting in view of the number of charging stations in Beijing:

Yet even in China, a nation with more chargers than any other, drivers still get frustrated trying to find a spot to juice up.  Tom He drives a 25-seater Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus Co. Skywell minivan to shuttle workers between home and workplaces in Beijing, and he can cover as many as 160 kilometers (99 miles) on a single charge.  "It's not that easy to find an EV charging place", He said. "It drives people crazy when you can't charge them."

Costs also are a consideration, and it's not uncommon to see EV owners lining up to use charging stations at night when electricity prices are lower, TGOOD's Jing said. The company operates more than 131,000 connectors that fit almost all EV models in China, according to data complied by BNEF.  "There's still a long way to go and a lot of issues to crack", Jing said.

[Crissa]

There's alot of RV camps up there, Don, have you thought of calling ahead to use their 50v hookups?

I assume you mean 50 amps, not 50v. But still, I am not real sure what you're talking about. Finding juice here in Reno  is easy. Free J1772s all over Reno and Sparks. Along with many RV parks. I don't understand why I would call any RV park around here.  All three of my houses have level two charging at 48 amps in the garages. And I also have an RV--which has a 4KW generator which I have used to charge my Zero DS when boondocking.

Oops, yes typo.  But I didn't mean in Reno, I meant on Hwy 50.  There's alot of tiny RV parks.  Like, on Hwy 88 you could stop for lunch at Cook's Station and top off so you could go a little off-route if you wanted and not worry.  That's what this guy did to drive across Nevada the long way:  (To be honest, I was already a $2 Patreon for this guy's math and travelogue videos.)

-Crissa

[HoodRichOG]

Well, they are pretty much suffocating from the pollution so they are trying hard to find ways to not die.

Can't really compare with what we have here.

[DonTom]

I meant on Hwy 50.  There's alot of tiny RV parks.  Like, on Hwy 88 you could stop for lunch at Cook's Station and top off so you could go a little off-route if you wanted and not worry.  That's what this guy did to drive across Nevada the long way:

Yeah, but if I have to do that much planning, I ain't going. Even in my ICE RV, I refuse to make reservations at RV parks. I don't like to travel with plans. I prefer more freedom than having to be at a place on a certain date. When I leave here, I often cannot even tell you where I am going. Once I  headed out south, but ended up in Kamloops, Canada somehow.

But yeah, with some effort and time to slowly charge, RV parks can be the answer if we must do it in an EV. But when it gets to that, I take an ICE vehicle. Often my RV with my Zero DS on the ramp on the hitch. I could even charge it while I drive, but I usually don't. I usually have it fully charged before I have it back on the  ramp.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

50a isn't that slow of a charge!  Sure, slower than a Tesla supercharger but it's up where your Energica might not top it out.

And doing a little calling ahead isn't the same as making a reservation.  You find out which ones want a reservation, when they're open.  Or you do like we did forty years ago and pull into a place and ask around for someone with a tap.

Just, people expect you do that remotely these days rather than rolling in.

I'm old enough to know how travel was in the old days with 55mph roads, bad freeways, ad 'last gas for n miles' signs that actually meant something.  I know we sorta need that for electrons, but...

-Crissa

[DonTom]

50a isn't that slow of a charge!

50 amps at 240 VAC is 12 KW. My Tesla is 75 KWH of usable battery. So a full charge will be more than 6 hours even if 100% efficient. In my ICE RV I will be in Utah before the Tesla gets a full charge in an RV park. And what will I do for the six hours?

Okay, let's make if five hours because I probably won't be fully drained down to nothing.

Wait, I  take that all back. If I am plugged into a J1772 or any type of 240 VAC, other than a Tesla Destination Charger my Tesla  can only draw 32 amps. That is less than 8KW, so add a couple of more hours. It can only do 48 amps from a Tesla Wall Connector or a Tesla Destination station. As soon as I use an adapter of any type, it's 32 amps max.

So it's probably more like 7 to eight hours. 

And My Energica won't even make it from one RV park to the next out there. And even if it did, it will charge at 3KW on AC. That will take about four hours to fully charge (11.7KWH usable).

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Why do you always look at a full charge?

That's just ridiculous.  You should never be full charging while on the road.  You're wasting time.  You should only charge what you need for the hop.

Just like when you'd grab $5 of gas way-back-when at the remote stations because who wanted to pay a price that was twice what it was in town?

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Why do you always look at a full charge?

That's just ridiculous.  You should never be full charging while on the road.  You're wasting time.  You should only charge what you need for the hop.

-Crissa

Yes, I know all that stuff. But on Hwy 50 in NV , I would want all the charge I could get, and then some!

I have time to waste (retired) but I would not want to sit around at an RV park for hours.

-Don-  Auburn, CA