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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2019, 08:26:49 PM »

If you’re just going to wrap the tank, check EBay or other similar secondhand clearinghouse sites for used parts. I see tanks on EBay often enough, and the stock tank with the bin is a common used item after people swap them for Power Tank or Charge Tank upgrades.
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2019, 10:30:27 PM »

That's cause AutoE is incorrect. There are no regulations or laws whatsoever concerning the availability of spare parts for a certain time period(7 years, 10 years etc,)

In the US, there is the Magnuson Moss Act, which requires spare parts to be available for the length of the warranty. See here:
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/14049/are-auto-manufacturers-required-under-us-federal-law-to-provide-parts-for-a-set

I can also find no evidence of an EU law either.

Also, judging by AutoE's recent string of inflammatory posts and post history, the account appears to be tied to Auto Electric, the ex-distributor Zero dropped in Israel and replaced with Metro Motors.
Perhaps it wasn't a very agreeable breakup.
Israel does have such a law (7 years counting from when the vehicle was sold new to the first owner); a vehicle importer has to post a fairly large bond, and a vehicle can't be homologated unless there's an official importer  which has posted that bond. If an importer isn't fulfilling the obligation to supply parts, the bond may be forfeit. There have been several cases where an importer went belly-up, and the money was seized by the government to buy spare parts for a court-appointed service garage which took care of existing customers.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2019, 10:42:19 PM by wavelet »
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2019, 10:41:42 PM »

Zero is obliged under European regulation to maintain spare part availability for 10 years... by my last check. Simple enough to Google. Two problems. ZERO seem to care little for EU regulation.  You may not be in EU.

As near as I can tell, those regulations haven't worked all that well for the owners of Victory (Polaris) Empulse electric motorcycles.  If you own one of those discontinued bikes good luck finding parts or anyone to work on them.
Richard230... there is a big difference between a lack of parts from due to a business failure or bankruptcy and a EXISTING OEM such as ZERO repeatedly failing to abide by law and regulation.
AutoE, not under Israeli law. The requirement is on the importer of record -- the manufacturer isn't subject to Israeli jurisdiction, formally or in practice.
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2019, 11:09:26 PM »

Ignorance is bliss? Glad to share with you the Manufacturer's Statement that Zero Motorcycles signed with the Israel Ministry of Transportation in 2016 pursuant to new import regulation. Welcome to the enlightenment, knowledge is power.  Here's the exact language from the regulation:
א)   ×œ×¡×¤×§ מוצרי תעבורה לכל רכב מתוצרתו המיובא לישראל, לתקופה שלא תפחת משבע שנים מיום המכירה ללקוח או לתקופה אחרת שקבע השר, באישור הוועדה)

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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2019, 12:08:04 AM »

Hey, I posted those Storage Tanks I have in the Buy/Sell/Trade if anyone is interested.  https://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=9477.0

I'm flexible ^-^  I can also deliver in the SF Bay Area.

-Crissa
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2019, 02:48:51 AM »

Here's the exact language from the regulation:
א)   ×œ×¡×¤×§ מוצרי תעבורה לכל רכב מתוצרתו המיובא לישראל, לתקופה שלא תפחת משבע שנים מיום המכירה ללקוח או לתקופה אחרת שקבע השר, באישור הוועדה)

You just called other people ignorant and unenlightened, while at the same time providing wrong information by quoting an excerpt out of context from Israel car import law section 42.(4)(A), which in full clearly states the importer (not manufacturer) is responsible for the part supply. Moreover, with the right approval it can be less than seven years.
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2019, 01:10:26 PM »

Dear Curt,
I've worked with the import law in Israel for 7+ years. If you care to read the entirety of the regulation it clearly states that the obligation is the MANUFACTURER'S and not the importer. I get that some here like defending ZERO. We defended ZERO for quite some time until the absolute lack of care, of moral compass or concern for product/rider safety was so apparent we could no longer deny what we were seeing. Oh, just wait and see what's about to hit ZERO from EU regulators.  TOO MANY HAVE SUFFERED SERIOUS INJURY AND WORSE.
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2019, 01:51:52 PM »

TOO MANY HAVE SUFFERED SERIOUS INJURY AND WORSE.
So many that there are no news articles in English media anywhere?

As far as I can tell, Zero has repaired the recalled components.  There are functionally identical components on the market.  And there's no sign of any regulatory crackdown or anything which would precede it.

And I say this as someone with a bike made inoperable by Zero's own mistake.  It's an error, they're making it right.

If they aren't, I'd like to read about it, but I see it nowhere to be read.

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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2019, 01:59:15 PM »

Zero is obliged under European regulation to maintain spare part availability for 10 years... by my last check. Simple enough to Google. Two problems. ZERO seem to care little for EU regulation.  You may not be in EU.

As near as I can tell, those regulations haven't worked all that well for the owners of Victory (Polaris) Empulse electric motorcycles.  If you own one of those discontinued bikes good luck finding parts or anyone to work on them.
Richard230... there is a big difference between a lack of parts from due to a business failure or bankruptcy and a EXISTING OEM such as ZERO repeatedly failing to abide by law and regulation.
AutoE, not under Israeli law. The requirement is on the importer of record -- the manufacturer isn't subject to Israeli jurisdiction, formally or in practice.
WAVELET... such ignorance, are you a law student.
There are NO BONDS and even with BETTER PLACE the bond that was required was NOT SEIZED.
Moving on from this point... ZERO MOTORCYCLES failed to provide warranty service, ANY SERVICE, in Israel for approximately 9 MONTHS.  This IS IN VIOLATION of Israel Law:
   (ד)       ×œ×§×™×™× את חובות היבואן לפי סעיף ×–×” אם לא ×™×”×™×” ביכולתו של היבואן לקיימן בשל אחת מאלה:
(1)       × ×™×ª×Ÿ לגביו צו פירוק, צו פירוק זמני, צו כינוס, צו כינוס נכסים או צו הקפאת הליכים לפי כל דין;
(2)       ×”יצרן מבקש שחובות היבואן ימולאו על ידי גורם אחר;

But ZERO does not care. 
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2019, 02:00:53 PM »

TOO MANY HAVE SUFFERED SERIOUS INJURY AND WORSE.
So many that there are no news articles in English media anywhere?

As far as I can tell, Zero has repaired the recalled components.  There are functionally identical components on the market.  And there's no sign of any regulatory crackdown or anything which would precede it.

And I say this as someone with a bike made inoperable by Zero's own mistake.  It's an error, they're making it right.

If they aren't, I'd like to read about it, but I see it nowhere to be read.

-Crissa
UNFORTUNATELY, investigations are confidential. If you've any doubt the number of serious injuries start googling.
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Re: Unavailable Zero parts
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2019, 04:33:12 PM »

This thread has gone off the rails somewhat so I am locking it. Please stay on topic, be kind to each other, and back up your statements with solid evidence. We don't need to all be Zero fan boys and girls, but inflammatory accusations have no place here on the forum
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