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[Richard230]

Here is a decent press release by Zero regarding their 2022 Zero FX model. I was impressed by how much actual facts and how little spin there was in this description of the FX bike - provided of course that you read the entire article.  But the MSRP seems really steep, especially if you toss in a couple of extra chargers to drop the recharge time down to something reasonable. It seems to me like it is going to be tough to sell this model in the small ADV market, where you can get a pretty decent ICE off-road capable motorcycle for much less than half of what the Zero costs and one that has a much longer range without needing to stop and spend the rest of the day recharging.  Here is a link to the article: https://thepack.news/updated-zero-fx-enters-its-ninth-year-of-production-in-2022/

[mdjak1]

Price in the article is for Europe.   Although in the USA the price has gone up $1000-$1500 or so?   Aside from the 5" TFT display, doesn't appear anything is new, or did I miss something?   This can't compete if you are willing and able to go ICE.  Something like a KTM 390 Adventure is only about $7000 in the USA.     But no Zeros (or other good quality EV motorcycles) can compete if you don't care whether your bike is EV or ICE. 

[TheRan]

Yeah this is nothing we didn't know months ago, just the new display and the Cypher II (or is it III? I dunno, whatever the newest one is) software to accompany it.

[Richard230]

Yeah this is nothing we didn't know months ago, just the new display and the Cypher II (or is it III? I dunno, whatever the newest one is) software to accompany it.

BTW, that TFT display looks exactly like the one on my KTM 390 Duke (MSRP of $5,600 but shipping costs from India added another $750  ) .

[TheRan]

I have a 125 Duke, the functionality of the Zero TFT on the FX/FXE/DS is nowhere near. The Zero display doesn't show any more info than the old LCD, in fact there's something that they removed but I can't remember what (the clock maybe?).

[princec]

As has been discussed before... the actual rolling chassis of a Duke costs only about $1500 to make minus its engine. So how does Zero manage to make the now rather small looking battery, motor, and controller cost $10,000? I suspect it's because they have no competition so they can literally charge what they want to and still sell. But I suspect Honda and Kymco will soon be competing in this space at about half the price.

Cas

[Richard230]

As has been discussed before... the actual rolling chassis of a Duke costs only about $1500 to make minus its engine. So how does Zero manage to make the now rather small looking battery, motor, and controller cost $10,000? I suspect it's because they have no competition so they can literally charge what they want to and still sell. But I suspect Honda and Kymco will soon be competing in this space at about half the price.

Cas

I would guess that other manufacturers that enter the EV market in the future will price their motorcycles at whatever they believe the market will bear.

[TheRan]

As has been discussed before... the actual rolling chassis of a Duke costs only about $1500 to make minus its engine. So how does Zero manage to make the now rather small looking battery, motor, and controller cost $10,000? I suspect it's because they have no competition so they can literally charge what they want to and still sell. But I suspect Honda and Kymco will soon be competing in this space at about half the price.

Cas

While Zero are making more profit due to the lack of competition you can't straight up compare a Duke chassis to a Zero one. The Zero chassis will be more expensive to manufacture for multiple reasons (made in America vs India, lower production volume, and being cast aluminium versus a welded steel trellis) and a lot of the other components used are also more expensive such as suspension and brakes.

Also the 390 Duke costs like £500 more than the 125 despite costing pretty much the exact same to manufacture. Of course you're paying for the greater performance, and it could be argued that the Zero "performs" better than the Duke in some areas.