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Author Topic: Zero S Test Ride 7-10-09, $1500 CARB rebate, and new features  (Read 1607 times)

Green Caledonian

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I just test rode the Zero S and was very, very impressed.  The bike is well made has beautiful welds, and a nice clean look.  It is agile, light and fast.  I was not at all disappointed to step from my Suzuki 650 to this.  Zero to 60 in under 5 seconds and a top speed of 70+mph (the web sight says 60 but Brian the rep. said that was old news).  The lightness of the Zero allowed it to way out perform what I could do on my 650.  The Zero carved the corners beautifully and snapped right back up, it leapt up to speed and did everything I asked of it without complaint.  Having test rode the Vectrix and the GPR-s I have to say that for me the Zero takes the top of the podium.  You wont find me passing truckers on I-5 at 110 mph but that is probably best for all concerned anyway.  I will have to exercise will power not to do wheelies (at least not too many of them).  Brian also tells me that there are numerous upgrades in the pipeline including regen. breaking, higher top speeds and more battery power.  They also have a rack and saddle bags available for the bike now.  The CARB rebate wont take effect until October/November and it is looking like they can't help me get the rebate any sooner or the bike  early without making me ineligible for the rebate.  Brian said they could be flexible on the price for those buying early.  I am counting on it.  I am sold on this bike. 
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Re: Zero S Test Ride 7-10-09, $1500 CARB rebate, and new features
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 04:10:39 AM »

Thank you very very much for this post New Caledonian.  I was really starting to lose heart.  Zero wasn't saying anything about the ship dates or the rebate, wasn't much going on the Internet (doesn't appear that anyone besides Jay Leno actually owns one of these yet), and I was thinking, why am I putting myself through this just to pay out $11,000 bucks?  I can pick up a Honda R650XL for $7,000 or Kawasaki KLR 650 for $6,500 right now, save myself a bundle of money and waiting time.

My test ride is on Sunday morning.  From what you and other reviewers have said, this is just the kind of bike I am going to like.  (For the past 20 years I've been driving Honda 350's around -- light and nimble.)  I hope to get just as stoked up about this bike as you are.

I wonder how flexible they can get.  $1,500 flexible would sure do it for me.  Or maybe $500 off and throw in the no fault warranty ($995).
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Re: Zero S Test Ride 7-10-09, $1500 CARB rebate, and new features
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 09:18:33 AM »

Sounds great! Was that an actual production bike you rode or one of the ones used for promotion? I heard the promo one was running at a lower amps than the real thing.
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Re: test Ride 7/12/9
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 08:15:06 AM »

Took my test ride this morning.  I think I should qualify my opinions first.  Have ridden maybe 30,000 miles over a period of around 37 years, never on a bike with an engine larger than 350cc.  My current motorcycle is a 1984 Honda XL350.

The 2 big disappointments:

1)  The components in my demo bike had been set so that the bike could only take off smoothly/gradually from a stop.  It therefore didn't have nearly the pop that my 350 has, which I depend on to guarantee getting a jump on the cars on either side of me after I have split lanes and moved on up to the head of the line at a stop light.  The rep said that there was a mechanism in the the throttle that could be adjusted to get the bike to pop forward faster from the start.  He said, and I agreed, that there actually is much higher acceleration going on when the bike reaches 30 mph as it speeds up to 60 mph.  But there was no relation between my demo bike and the bike that Neal Saiki told Jay Leno needed to be fun and able to do "wheelies".


2) Started the test ride with the power gauge showing one bar more than half-way charged.  Finished with a lot of low-charge warning beeps from the bike and diminished power capacity from the motor and no bars showing for the charge.  Problem is, probably rode the bike less than 10 miles, on supposedly more than a half-charged battery.  Can't verify this from the mileage gauge because the speedometer on the demo bike was not functional.  Riding style, to be fair, was basically to twist the throttle to the max as soon as leaving a driveway or a stoplight -- probably not an optimal way to save power.

Thought the suspension was great going over bumps in the road at max speed.  The brakes felt quite adequate as well.  The seat seems to be a couple of inches higher than my 350, and it made me a little chicken about leaning it too far on turns, so I never really tested it in that way.  And the seat was, as others have remarked, probably a little too hard and narrow.  The rep warned me that he had been hearing a little extra clicking from the chain, but I never really heard the chain while riding (the primary sound is the wind gusting into your helmet).

In conclusion I'm not sure the disappointments are deal-breakers for me.   The other night I ran out of gas in my wife's BMW when the gas gauge was showing there were 60 miles' worth of gas in the tank.  So maybe the power gauge wasn't right when it showed one bar better than half-charged.  Or, we keep hearing about battery problems, and maybe that demo bike was an example of the same battery problems which are currently being addressed.  And one more thing, I noticed that when I got the bike up to max speed, even at the very start of the test ride, the charge gauge would kind of go nuts and primarily show zero charge even as the bike was moving at top speed.  Then when I slowed to a stop it seemed ot settle down to a more accurate reading.

Also, there was no way this bike was getting up to 75 mph.  Maybe 60 mph, though hard to say for sure without a speedometer.  But a person knows when they are going 75 mph on a motorcycle of that size.  So this tells me that the demo I was riding might have been a tad earlier/inferior to the one that Green Caledonian was testing. 

Bottom line, the rep says he is getting a second bike in August that will allow him to ride along with customers (he's not fully comfortable with setting prospective customers loose by themselves with these bikes).  I am hoping to take a second test ride with him then to check out the power issues on the newer motorcycle, and perhaps see if there has been any changes to the initial acceleration ability of the newer motorcyle...
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Re: Zero S Test Ride 7 12 09
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 09:57:04 AM »

This is a response to drivin98 and quity.
First of all, quity, your ride on the S sounds seriously disappointing.  Ya know if i were Zero I think I would make sure that customers were only riding bikes that really work.  The S i rode had diminished initial acceleration but above about 15 mph it kicked in solidly.   I was told it was an experimental bike and that the "real" S would have 15 to 20% more torque from 0 mph than my test bike.  I think this answers your question drivin98.  My ride showed a full charge when i sat on it, I was very heavy on the throttle till I hit about 30 mph then eased off.  I could have wheelied on it.  I didn't take it up to 70 because the rep. wanted us to stay on the surrounding residential streets ( I was taking his word on the top speed), but I hit 50 without even a tiny hint of slowing and no instrumentation weirdness at any time.  I was one of four guys test riding this bike and we probably put around 10 to 15 miles on it all together.  It was down one bar by the end of our rides.  guity, your test ride raises some worries for me.  Clearly the proof will be in actually riding a "real" S.  I will assume at this point that I will be more impressed when I take my final test ride when i pick up the bike.  I will take your suggestion and ask for the two year no fault warranty with its 1/2 price upgrades for buying the bike early and missing out on the rebate.  If the bike doesn't pass muster on the final test ride I will wait for the fabled Zero street bike which I have not seen or heard about except on forums like this one. 
I wish you much better luck on your next test ride. 
-GC
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Re: Zero S Test Ride 7-10-09, $1500 CARB rebate, and new features
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 10:21:50 PM »

Thanks Green Caledonian.  At least now I feel like I can understand Zero's lack of excitement/responsiveness about the CARB rebate problem.  At this point the rebate problem would have to be one of their lesser worries.  If I had been really stoked about the test ride, I would be looking for ways around the rebate delay.  But right now I am trying to figure out if the bike will be worth the price after the rebate becomes available...
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