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skeezmour

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Re: Air-Powered motorcycle
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2013, 02:09:11 AM »

Yes when we talk about safety it is important to realize that a punctured scuba tank has the potential blast effect of 2 hand grenades. Yep given the choice I will take my chances with electricity. If you don't believe me just look up videos of truck tire failures, and those are only at ~80psi. Now try a metal or composite tank at 4000+psi.

The fundamental problem I have with air is the huge losses you get in both charging a tank and also in converting back to mechanical leverage. If you take 10kwh of energy from the wall you get something like 9kwh+ into a motorcycle battery. On a zero that can take you 100+ miles depending on speed. A typical scuba tank will take 30 min to fill from a compressor using something like 2.2kwh of electricity to store at most 400wh of recoverable energy in the tank. That is approaching ICE engine efficiency levels.  400wh of potential energy will only take you so far even at 100% drive train efficiency. This is where the most basic rules of physics come into play.
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Justin Andrews

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Re: Air-Powered motorcycle
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2013, 04:30:58 PM »

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Yes when we talk about safety it is important to realize that a punctured scuba tank has the potential blast effect of 2 hand grenades. Yep given the choice I will take my chances with electricity. If you don't believe me just look up videos of truck tire failures, and those are only at ~80psi. Now try a metal or composite tank at 4000+psi.

Reminds me of a story from my Scuba diving days, now no kidding this really happened.

A good friend of mine was driving to a dive with three tanks in his boot. Stopping at a light he heard them roll slightly then there was a sound like a gun shot going off...

He got out of the car to investigate, and opened the boot to check the tanks. One was hard against one side of the boot, and he could see daylight from the other side of the boot. The first stage value had blown off and punched its way out of the car!

With some trepidation he looked at the car next to his, and yep, it had a hole in its side too!!! They finally located the first stage buried in the other side of the poor guys car.

Moral of the story, a loose first stage can kill if it blows loose.
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BSDThw

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Re: Air-Powered motorcycle
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2013, 04:47:47 PM »

That is exactly why you learn stuff like this (not to do) at your scuba training!
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Re: Air-Powered motorcycle
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2013, 10:29:00 AM »

You could rename this clip "Why I'd never ride an air powered motorcycle."  Skip to about 2:15.

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Justin Andrews

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Re: Air-Powered motorcycle
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2013, 12:56:32 PM »

Its like riding a lithium-polymer electric bike, looks like a good idea on paper...
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