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[TheRan]

Fairly similar to the regular Varg, just with a head light, tail light, horn, plate holder, and a switch from a 19" to 18" rear wheel with street legal tyres. A more road friendly retune as well but power outputs are the same at 59hp and 79hp. Battery capacity is also up from 6.8kWh to 7.2kWh although I imagine that will also be put into the regular Vargs. Interestingly there's no turn signals, not a problem for here in the UK but could cause difficulties in other countries. Pricing is very impressive at £10.9k for 59hp or £11.9k for the 79hp Alpha, compared to £12.3k for a 44hp Zero FX.


https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2024/december/stark-varg-ex/

[princec]

oooh! Now we're talking! That's an absolute hottie of a bike and on the money for something of its specification too.

Cas

[Fran K]

Hard to believe but here in the USA all 21 inch front tires for dirt bikes say DOT on the sides.  So I hear and all the ones I have since I started looking had do.  Hopefully they are working on something more designed to sit down on with some frame in the rear.

[Curt]

Please, please add the turn signals and sell them through US dealers!

[Specter]

Curt, a turn signal is a piece of cake to add on aftermarket.
some states don't even require them, you can still use Hand signals.
E bay has turn signal kits all over.  Now many of them are for adding an additional one and need the original to piggy back off of, but the same principle applies.  Install light, bring power to light, turn switch, light go blinkey blinkey.

Granted it would be much nicer if THEY did this and would probably look nicer too but don't let that be a deal killer for you

Aaron

[scottwstevenson]

Official Announcement:

https://youtu.be/c34vyuCp8A0?t=240

-S

[TheRan]

I didn't think this would possibly happen because I assumed the Varg was capable of like 100mph plus but apparently it's limited to 68mph (or 71mph when the top speed is given in km/h). Zero managed to get their "11kW" models to be A1 legal by limiting the top speed to 86mph, because their continuous power output (how electric bikes are rated for Euro licencing) is how much power it takes to hold a certain percentage of the max speed. That's a little disappointing to have so much power and be limited to such a low speed, but being A1 licence legal is also huge because it makes it available to so many more people and hopefully contributes to a lower insurance cost too.

If I wasn't in the process of trying to move house and afford that I'd be seriously tempted to put most of my savings into getting a Varg now (I don't have my full licence yet). Once it is done maybe I'll have to see how much I could get for my DS, it's such a difficult choice between the two.

[Specter]

I totally get the limiting speed etc in todays society where every dirt bag wants to sue for the quick ghetto lottery jackpot.
Manu's have to protect themselves from all sorts of crazy out there, and every grimy moocher, gold digger and dirty scumbag looking to pull a whiplash wang for a quick insurance payout.

How hard would it be to hack this and undo that limiter?  and would they make say a... track version, where the limit is not there, even if you have to sign a waiver upon purchase I wonder.

Aaron

[TheRan]

The regular, non-street legal Varg has the same top speed and is intended as a race bike. It's not limited for the reasons you assume, that's just the way it worked out. Come to think of it I remember being surprised at it all the way back when the Varg was first announced, not knowing why it was so low but figuring it must be quick enough for an MX track.

[Fran K]

How is it limited?  I am looking (at the picture in post 1) for wires at the front wheel that might sense speed, and I don't even see a brake line except above the number plate.  Can't the sprocket be changed, of course it can.  Is there abs in the back that might tell the control unit how fast the back wheel is going?  Generally enduro bikes have a magnet and sensor at the front wheel that goes to the display or the computer to keep you on time.  Around here an enduro is a time keeping event, not supposed to be a race just an event.  The in short description is to maintain 4 tenths of a mile per minute in the woods and on the road.  There are checks when you go into a section and out of a section and resets so if the rider speeds on the road they burn the next check.  burn means get points, low score gets trophy.  I would think a real enduro rider around here would route the wire from the magnet/sensor into their computer.  Unless somehow the smart phone on the bar clamp area is an enduro computer as well.  Years ago one used a watch and a cable odometer.

I called an out of state dealer a few months ago about one of these things and the guy said they are sick.  Not sure what exactly that meant but probably not for the low-level drivers liscence tier.

[TheRan]

Well it has traction control so that would require speed sensors on both wheels, plus ABS is also a requirement to be street legal in Europe. I would imagine the top speed is limited by the motor RPM so changing the sprockets may increase it. I would also assume, and hope, that through the dash the drive ratio as well as the tyre size is easily adjustable to correct the speedo as well as make sure traction control and ABS is working correctly. If I did get one a second set of super moto wheels would also be nice to have.

[Specter]

Yes you could possibly play with sprockets and stuff to in theory boost some speed but depending on the way its programmed, the abs and traction control if it has it, might start having fits if you deviate too much from factory.  It won't know you did that change and see the diff in wheel speeds and say WTF, he's slipping and start engaging. Youd have to see first hand how bad this would affect it.

aaron

[TheRan]

That's what I'm saying. I'm assuming Stark includes that customisation option, changing the gearing and/or tyre/wheel sizes on off road bikes isn't that unusual. They actually offer the MX model with either an 18" or 19" rear wheel so it's not like they haven't already implemented different values in the software, it's just whether it's user adjustable.

[Specter]

I know of my ego you can tell it how many teeth on the sprocket, I wish the ribelle was the same way, it'd be useful when making changes but then again ive gotten used to the speedo being a few mph off.  In all honestly if they really wanted to be accurate they'd put a variable for tire size on there too.  At the end of the day, that's what it is counting, blips on the aperture for the speed sensor.  sprocket count is not going to tell you how big / long 1 rpm is.   3.14 times tire size in essence, is.

Aaron