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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2024, 05:40:06 PM »

jojo its going to be a little while.   Still trying to find the tool.  I know where it is at but have to go thru a dealer and getting one that will reply to my e mails is another story it seems :(

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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2024, 04:37:06 PM »

Hi Aaron,

Any news about changing the front sprocket? Mine starts to look a bit worn now and I would like to know if I could change it by myself.
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2024, 01:19:08 AM »

Hi Aaron,

Any news about changing the front sprocket? Mine starts to look a bit worn now and I would like to know if I could change it by myself.

Easy to do, only takes 15 mins if you have the special socket, a new lock washer should be fitted as well. I fitted a 16t to the front of my Experia vs the stock 15t...I only did it to get the speedo reading closer to what it should be....It's very accurate now, within +/- 1kmh according to my GPS.

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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2024, 06:03:11 AM »

After their .43 software update, the speedo should be reading correctly without having to mess with the sprocket / back gear teeth.

I did not replace the front one, after looking at it, it was fine.  My chain got trashed, I got silt in it which tore the living shit out of it,  so I just ordered a new chain .vs. the sprockets as well.

You need a special tool to change the front.  If you have access to a machine shop it's very easy to make one, otherwise I found that Energica of New England has some maybe, AND they also have one they will let you rent if you need to change your sprocket.

I did a very  thorough cleaning of my chain the first time but after running it on the track a few times, I found that it has a tick tick tick to it so decided its time to replace.

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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2024, 07:15:00 AM »

After their .43 software update, the speedo should be reading correctly without having to mess with the sprocket / back gear teeth.

I did not replace the front one, after looking at it, it was fine.  My chain got trashed, I got silt in it which tore the living shit out of it,  so I just ordered a new chain .vs. the sprockets as well.

You need a special tool to change the front.  If you have access to a machine shop it's very easy to make one, otherwise I found that Energica of New England has some maybe, AND they also have one they will let you rent if you need to change your sprocket.

I did a very  thorough cleaning of my chain the first time but after running it on the track a few times, I found that it has a tick tick tick to it so decided its time to replace.

Aaron

No changes were made to the speedo on my Experia after the .43 update....my speedo is reading the same as it was before and after the .43 update.

I always change the chain & sprockets as a set, they always wear after many km's....even when we can't see it. I fitted a 16t Aprillia Tuono front sprocket and a Vortex 52t Aluminium rear sprocket coupled with a DID ZVMX 520 gold chain.

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« Last Edit: March 05, 2024, 07:20:39 AM by smithy »
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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2024, 12:21:18 PM »

@smithy & spector

Thx for your reply! What about the torque for the sprocket nut? I've read about a whopping 189 Nm for a Ducati Panigale, that makes me a bit concerned.
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2024, 06:05:08 PM »

"I always change the chain & sprockets as a set, they always wear after many km's....even when we can't see it. I fitted a 16t Aprillia Tuono front sprocket and a Vortex 52t Aluminium rear sprocket coupled with a DID ZVMX 520 gold chain.

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Beautiful components.  Love the lightweight Vortex sprockets.  Curious to see how the aluminum handles the wear from all that torque put down by the Energica.  Please report back how it wears.
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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2024, 01:56:07 AM »

@smithy & spector

Thx for your reply! What about the torque for the sprocket nut? I've read about a whopping 189 Nm for a Ducati Panigale, that makes me a bit concerned.

I didn't use 189nm...I just used 110nm for the Experia...

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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2024, 02:08:16 AM »

Beautiful components.  Love the lightweight Vortex sprockets.  Curious to see how the aluminum handles the wear from all that torque put down by the Energica.  Please report back how it wears.

The Experia OEM rear sprocket is also aluminium so I don't see the Vortex aluminium item being an issue. I have ~7k km on the new chainset so far with no visible signs of extra wear, I do maintain/clean/lube it well though...the original sprockets & chain had 12,690km on them when I changed the set out...the OEM Regina chain was showing a couple of tight links but there was no major wear on anything that I could see, sprockets were still in good/normal condition. I'm not a fan of Regina chains and much prefer the DID ZVMX range of chains.

Bike now has just shy of 20,000km on it now and is performing to expectations. I do all my own maintenance and carry out all the service bulletins/recalls myself, I have not had any major issues to speak of.

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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2024, 02:38:41 AM »

^^^  Awesome!
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« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2024, 10:14:29 AM »

I understand what you are saying about the sprokets wearing and I did check mine carefully.  I didn't clean the chain as often as I should have, and given the environment I live in, I need to clean it even more, probably every 100 miles or so, I was pushing it sometimes 400 to 500 miles between cleanings, just giving it a squirt of lube instead of a deep cleaning because it 'looked' ok.  That was my bad.  I am also a person who likes to put their bike to work, I ride it hard, and take it on the track as well as street running.  It gets its workout.

Maybe I didn't need to change it quite yet but it makes me feel better that I did, plus I compared my original sprocket to a brand new one and the wear was negligible, no dragon or bubba teeth on it.  The chain and sprocket is supposed to last what? 15 to 20 K miles? I wasn't even half that yet, so am comfortable just doing the chain, however do have a new set already on hand of everything for the next change out.

TBH I have an entire wheel and sprocket change out, for when I DO take it to the track, instead of fricking around trying to remove tires from rims, reinstalling, balancing bla bla.  I just change out the entire wheel, front and back. it's a 20 minute job .vs. an hour and 20.  If I get in a jam, I can change stuff out with parts on hand.

As for Torque values, I have to look, I have it written on my tool box notebook, I don't have them memorized.  I have also head some people say that when it comes to the rear axle, torqueing them to the specs the OEM states, can mushroom them after time, that going a bit light won't harm, in fact might be a better idea.

One thing I do notice.  The holes for the chain guard to bolt down, they get crunchies in them real easy, have to keep them very clean or you'll be chasing threads.  I heard someone say they used stainless or titanium screws?  While that will keep the screws from getting shitty which they DO, on that note, do you want the swingarm to be your sacrificial surface .vs. a 10 cent screw?  Just some food for thought.

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Re: Chain wear .vs. Powerful Regen
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2024, 11:31:12 AM »

I understand what you are saying about the sprokets wearing and I did check mine carefully.  I didn't clean the chain as often as I should have, and given the environment I live in, I need to clean it even more, probably every 100 miles or so, I was pushing it sometimes 400 to 500 miles between cleanings, just giving it a squirt of lube instead of a deep cleaning because it 'looked' ok.  That was my bad.  I am also a person who likes to put their bike to work, I ride it hard, and take it on the track as well as street running.  It gets its workout.

Maybe I didn't need to change it quite yet but it makes me feel better that I did, plus I compared my original sprocket to a brand new one and the wear was negligible, no dragon or bubba teeth on it.  The chain and sprocket is supposed to last what? 15 to 20 K miles? I wasn't even half that yet, so am comfortable just doing the chain, however do have a new set already on hand of everything for the next change out.

TBH I have an entire wheel and sprocket change out, for when I DO take it to the track, instead of fricking around trying to remove tires from rims, reinstalling, balancing bla bla.  I just change out the entire wheel, front and back. it's a 20 minute job .vs. an hour and 20.  If I get in a jam, I can change stuff out with parts on hand.

As for Torque values, I have to look, I have it written on my tool box notebook, I don't have them memorized.  I have also head some people say that when it comes to the rear axle, torqueing them to the specs the OEM states, can mushroom them after time, that going a bit light won't harm, in fact might be a better idea.

One thing I do notice.  The holes for the chain guard to bolt down, they get crunchies in them real easy, have to keep them very clean or you'll be chasing threads.  I heard someone say they used stainless or titanium screws?  While that will keep the screws from getting shitty which they DO, on that note, do you want the swingarm to be your sacrificial surface .vs. a 10 cent screw?  Just some food for thought.

Aaron

Agree with everything you've said mate..!

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