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toothless

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Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« on: December 19, 2023, 01:47:39 AM »

Hello everyone,

Im looking for tips regarding maintenance and riding in the winter concerning Energicas. I have a Ribelle and Im a new rider!

What are must-dos and donts?

So far, in terms of maintenance, all I have is wiping down the chain and relubing it when necessary. For riding, I have some heated gear but dont know which heated gear people consider the best/reliable.

Please be nice, I understand that I am new and I have tons Im probably not thinking about.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2023, 03:06:18 AM »

Like any bike if you've got salt or calcium chloride on your roads you'll want to rinse that off as it's rather caustic.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2023, 12:53:26 PM »

Hello fellow Ribelle owner  :D

Chain maintenance is surely #1 priority if you ride in wet weather, so you got that right already. Consider getting an automatic oiler, but be aware that some of them are only working on ICE bikes (needing underpressure from the air intake or so).

Unfortunately the fairing screws on our Energicas (4 mm I think for a 3 mm hexagon key) are zinc plated only, so they easily corrode, especially when in contact with brine from salted streets. So maybe consider exchanging them against high grade stainless steel (A4, V4A) or titanium. With titanium you even have colour options.

Like MVetter suggested, rinse that brine away (or at least dilute it) with clear water as soon as possible. Doesn't need to be a power cleaner.

The Energica splash guard (approx. 100 USD) reduces the spray water from the rear tyre being thrown up and wetting your behind. Unfortunately it is only a reduction, so be still prepared that during long rides on wet streets, water will trickle down your neck.

Regularly check the rear swingarm if there is water inside, then the drain hole at the bottom is plugged by debris.

One or two people had problems with the left switch thingie on the handlebar (for indicator and menu) in which water accumulating, but that does not appear to be a serial issue.

You have heated grips on your Ribelle? I do. They are good for chilly weather (think south Italian winter  8)) but not for real cold.

Heated gear I do not own (yet). I am layering against the cold using windproof stuff like Windstopper from Goretex I already own for winter cycling. The winter undergarments from Dainese are very expensive and they are only partially windproof (again think Italian winter :-X). I think most chilling comes from the exposed legs, so consider buying a good winter pants with protectors or leather pants wide enough to allow for two or three layers of insulation. A windproof scarf does work for me as well. And a balaclava is of course mighty helpful as 30 % of the body warmth are dissipated through your skull.

When riding on a sunny winter day with low standing sun, be aware that this can impair vision a lot. You might not see someone approaching or they might not see you against the glare! Nearly lost a buddy this year due to this.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2023, 11:03:43 PM »

For heated gear, I used to have the Aerostich Kanetsu vest. It worked great for years. The SAE cord was simple and reliable. After about 12 years something went wrong and it developed a very uncomfortable hot spot. I decided to replace it as I was constantly worried about getting burned or setting my gear on fire.

I decided to go with the Gerbing heated vest as it was cheaper and Gerbing has been around as long and I have friends with Gerbung vests that are decades old. Plus the Gerbing is less expensive and has the capacity to add heated pants, socks, gloves etc.

Honestly by the time you get the extra cords and wiring harnesses and everything the Gerbing is as expensive (as the Kanetsu) and much more "fiddley" with the cords and connections and controllers. I got the heated socks but will probably never wear them again. If I had it to do over again, I would get another Aerostich vest. It came with everything needed to use it and the Gerbing feature of being able to add other things to it is something that I'm pretty sure I wil never use.

Bike maintenance in the winter is really all about keeping salt and road grime at bay. Plus all the extra cleaning, especially if you use WD40 or some similar water displacing solvent/penetrant/oil to clean, can prematurely affect the grease that is packed into bearings. Wheel bearings, swingarm pivots, and things like that can start to stiffen up and wear faster with all the water, spray, salt, and cleaning.

Check out some youtube sorces, like The Shop Manual on the Common Tread Channel.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2023, 09:02:26 AM »

Unfortunately the fairing screws on our Energicas (4 mm I think for a 3 mm hexagon key) are zinc plated only, so they easily corrode, especially when in contact with brine from salted streets. So maybe consider exchanging them against high grade stainless steel (A4, V4A) or titanium. With titanium you even have colour options.


Is this the ergal bolts? Any other ones?


The Energica splash guard (approx. 100 USD) reduces the spray water from the rear tyre being thrown up and wetting your behind. Unfortunately it is only a reduction, so be still prepared that during long rides on wet streets, water will trickle down your neck.

Regularly check the rear swingarm if there is water inside, then the drain hole at the bottom is plugged by debris.

One or two people had problems with the left switch thingie on the handlebar (for indicator and menu) in which water accumulating, but that does not appear to be a serial issue.


Thanks for all this, very handy!

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You have heated grips on your Ribelle? I do. They are good for chilly weather (think south Italian winter  8)) but not for real cold.

Heated gear I do not own (yet). I am layering against the cold using windproof stuff like Windstopper from Goretex I already own for winter cycling. The winter undergarments from Dainese are very expensive and they are only partially windproof (again think Italian winter :-X). I think most chilling comes from the exposed legs, so consider buying a good winter pants with protectors or leather pants wide enough to allow for two or three layers of insulation. A windproof scarf does work for me as well. And a balaclava is of course mighty helpful as 30 % of the body warmth are dissipated through your skull.

When riding on a sunny winter day with low standing sun, be aware that this can impair vision a lot. You might not see someone approaching or they might not see you against the glare! Nearly lost a buddy this year due to this.


Heated grips equipped, and I'm seeing about 0 C when I leave the cold port in the morning. Dips to below -5 C at night and I'm wondering what's best practices regarding charging? Has anyone been leaving their bike to ac charge overnight in the cold? I figured as long as it's not under -10C it's ok?

I got some heated socks and heated gloves to wear on top of gtx infinium, but I'd really like non gtx option as they're expensive for no reason.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2024, 03:36:30 PM »

Sorry for the late answer due to the season holidays.

Ergal is another name for an aluminium alloy (A7075). In principle aluminium is quite easy to corrode which is why it's surface is often anodized. But this is only good as long as the surface is not harmed. Thus, my preference is stainless steel (type names V4A, A4, A316) or titanium (type names Ti-6AL-4V, Grade 5).

Charging the bike below 0 °C is not recommended by Energica (at least acc. to their old manual for the Ribelle). So, if possible, in colder conditions charge only after using the bike when the battery is still warm.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2024, 06:13:13 PM »

Hand guards (Barkbuster or Energica) are well appreciated on top of heated grips. In heavy rains the control buttons (high beam etc) sometimes can do funky: dielectric grease works preventative.  Indeed the bolts on the fender to swing arm are a weak point: on my old SS9 one had to be drilled out. Since then I mounted with some white ceramic grease and upgraded to Ergal. Ceramic or copper grease is always recommended, even with stainless which can also react with aluminium. 
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2024, 08:35:57 PM »

For cold weather riding I like heated snowmobile gloves (either by the bike's battery or using rechargeable batteries in the gloves). There are also large over-mitts (which have been around since at least the mid-1960's) that fit over each bar that also work very well to keep your hands warm. The only issue with them (besides their looks) is that you will not be able to see the bar controls and need to operate them by feel. Plus, removing your hands from the mitts quickly can be difficult to do.
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2024, 06:00:32 AM »

Sorry for the late answer due to the season holidays.

Ergal is another name for an aluminium alloy (A7075). In principle aluminium is quite easy to corrode which is why it's surface is often anodized. But this is only good as long as the surface is not harmed. Thus, my preference is stainless steel (type names V4A, A4, A316) or titanium (type names Ti-6AL-4V, Grade 5).

I thought Ergal was a brand name hehe, thanks for the correction and suggestions!
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Re: Winter Tips (Rain, Snow)
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2024, 06:10:44 AM »

In heavy rains the control buttons (high beam etc) sometimes can do funky: dielectric grease works preventative. 

I can attest to the funkiness of Energicas in wet conditions. My motorcycle gave me an undefined fault and stopped working on a ride through the rain. Very scary getting stuck in the cold rain, but I turned the bike on and it didn't throw it up again. I'm definitely going to try andkeep this in mind next maintenance. I can't believe that rain protection is an afterthought on an EV  :-X

For cold weather riding I like heated snowmobile gloves (either by the bike's battery or using rechargeable batteries in the gloves). There are also large over-mitts (which have been around since at least the mid-1960's) that fit over each bar that also work very well to keep your hands warm. The only issue with them (besides their looks) is that you will not be able to see the bar controls and need to operate them by feel. Plus, removing your hands from the mitts quickly can be difficult to do.


I like having mobility especially in the cold so the mitts sounds like a no go. However I bought some heated gloves from amazon that does the job well enough for my needs. It's no toaster in my gloves but at least I'm not shivering in the cold anymore. Thanks for the input!
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