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Author Topic: Motor/Front pulley belt alignment  (Read 2150 times)

2020_SRS_Commuter

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Re: Motor/Front pulley belt alignment
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2024, 05:57:19 AM »

Dumb question... Is there a spacer or insert that the rear axle goes though along with the rear wheel that might be on the wrong side?
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Re: Motor/Front pulley belt alignment
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2024, 07:08:48 AM »

The motor is NOT adjustable. The mounting surface on the left side is machined onto the frame such that the motor is as much as it can be guaranteed, to be true to the mounting axis of the swingarm, which in turn as much as can, guarantees that a user can then align the wheel sprocket using its adjusters. The position of the belt on the sprocket is probably a red herring. But by all means, keep wasting your time trying to strain the motor against its mounts. At worst, you'll prematurely destroy your $1k-2k motor, assuming you can get a replacement at all since this wouldn't be covered under warranty.

First thing I would do is completely slacken the mounts on the right side and back off the adjusters so that the motor is held only by the left mounts, which should be more accurately machined relative to the swingarm that you'd be able to measure. Then, mess with the wheel alignment and see if you can get better results with the belt noise -- NOTE, don't heavily load the motor with the right side unsupported. I can pretty much guarantee the motor doesn't have the torque available to tear itself off the left mount, but the added movement from lack of support on the right side wouldn't do it any favors. Also, for this test, the belt tension would have to be set very low. You can try to set it to the bottom of spec, but you'd want to put some kind of feeler against the right side of the motor to make sure that as you tensioned the belt, the motor wasn't twisting. If the motor starts to move, stop applying tension and just try to get the alignment right.

If that fixes the alignment, that tells you that someone messed with the right-side mounting bolts and racked the motor. If, however, you still can't get the alignment better and feel you need to rotate the motor, you can adjust it ONLY by adding shims under the bolts on the left side. Again, the adjustment of the mounts on the right side are there solely to facilitate mounting the motor from the sides without stressing it or the frame when doing so.

And just to make sure this is clear (even though I've said it several times now), "better alignment" does not mean the belt is riding in the middle or even off the flange. You consistently describe the belt as riding up the flange, even if you don't understand that definition. When the alignment is correct, the belt might very well still ride against the flange, but you should not see any part of the belt being lifted by it as it engages. Don't let its position on either of the sprockets be some kind of red herring to you.
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Re: Motor/Front pulley belt alignment
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2024, 08:40:55 AM »

Our definition of riding up the flange seem to differ. To me there is a difference between the belt riding on top of the flange, being pushed from the toothed side, and the belt being lifted by the friction of rubbing against the flange. The latter wouldn't really be possible with the rear pulley because the flange isn't tapered, the belt going from being off the flange to being on top of the flange with no in-between. You may very well consider the belt rubbing on the flange to still be correct alignment but that's what is causing the noise and what I want to eliminate. Other people's bikes seem to be running silently and you yourself said that it shouldn't be making noise.

I've tried adjusting the rear alignment, even before I messed with the motor, and it didn't seem to have any bearing on the alignment at the front pulley. I'll try again this weekend with the motor back in a neutral position, perhaps I'll find some perfect combination of tension and alignment that happens to work.
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Re: Motor/Front pulley belt alignment
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2024, 12:32:22 AM »

I must just be unlucky then because my bike has always been far from silent. This is the most recent video I have uploaded and is from back when I would consider the whine acceptable. More recently it has been much more high pitched and before adjusting the motor alignment it was so bad that I could feel the vibrations quite badly through the footpegs between about 25-30mph (leading me to speed slightly on 30 limit roads just to try and keep it quiet).

https://youtu.be/tfoz3dMVkk4?si=2aF2FA36o9cxD5d7

I'll try and get it up on a paddock stand and get a video of it

Mine has always made this noise from new, I've seen in other videos that their bikes made the same noise, I adjusted my belt all ways for 2 hrs trying to get it to stop, I have not touched the motor adjustment however.  This is for a 2023 DSR
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