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[Dryer667]

I believe I read somewhere that the Ego, Ribelle, and Esseesse 9 share the same powertrain but the latter two have limiters (for lack of a better word) that change the overall power, rpm range and top speed. What parts would someone need to swap to "unlock" the higher power and speed levels? Would an ECU swap do it? This may be more of a hypothetical question that a logistical one. Thanks for any thoughts.

[smithy]

I believe I read somewhere that the Ego, Ribelle, and Esseesse 9 share the same powertrain but the latter two have limiters (for lack of a better word) that change the overall power, rpm range and top speed. What parts would someone need to swap to "unlock" the higher power and speed levels? Would an ECU swap do it? This may be more of a hypothetical question that a logistical one. Thanks for any thoughts.

Interesting question....Don't quote me on this but as I understand it, the Ego has a higher top speed via a higher software/firmware motor rpm limit.??....but as far as power/torque is concerned, I suspect they're all essentially the same, maybe a front sproket change from say 17 to 16 or 15 gives a better acceleration..??

Will be interesting to find out from those who actually know. I'm very new to Energica's, TBH, I don't even have mine yet. 

Smithy.

[SRL]

You can "unlock" the older 80kw bikes and up their output to 107kw. Not officially though.

[SonOfAnakin]

Not saying not to do it if you are able, but keep in mind that other aspects of the bike not be up for the higher speeds and torque.  Brakes & tires, for instance.

[smithy]

Not saying not to do it if you are able, but keep in mind that other aspects of the bike not be up for the higher speeds and torque.  Brakes & tires, for instance.

Really..?? Pirelli Rosso III's and Brembo M50's not up to it..?? Who'd a thunk it.??

Smithy.

[BigPoppa]

It was my understanding that the Ego and Eva/Ribelle models shared the same motor but the Eva/Ribelle models were limited to a lower top speed due to poorer aerodynamics and a more upright riding position than the Ego. I always thought the EsseEsse9 had a different motor than the Ego/Eva/Ribelle.

If the only true difference is software then that’s interesting to know. From my understanding, the chassis, suspension, tires, brakes, etc are the same across all of the models. Only the riding position, seats, and bodywork differs. Of course the new Experia is a completely new platform but as for the OG lineup I don’t see why they all couldn’t have at least the same “horsepower” and torque ratings. The top speed limiting makes sense to me but the rest doesn’t other than from a marketing perspective.

[smithy]

It was my understanding that the Ego and Eva/Ribelle models shared the same motor but the Eva/Ribelle models were limited to a lower top speed due to poorer aerodynamics and a more upright riding position than the Ego. I always thought the EsseEsse9 had a different motor than the Ego/Eva/Ribelle.

As I understand it, the latest Ego, Ribelle and SS9 all share the same motor, running gear, frame etc. only the bodywork, riding position & handlebars etc are different. The electronic speed and power limiting differences between them I don't know.. The +RS versions differ from the normal ones too IIRC??

Sam Baker, (NewZeroland), was saying in one of his latest videos that his and his wife's Ribelles are normal and RS versions, front sprocket on the RS is 15 instead of 16 on the normal one..?? Or something along those lines...

Smithy.

[PWM]

Within both variants, oil-cooled motor w/ rinehart controller and water-cooled emce...bikes will exhibit same torque responses based on pack SOC...what performance improvement is needed?

[Dryer667]

For me its not a need based question. Its about learning about the machine and how it works. I have ridden and tinkered on motorcycles for many years and I love learning about how they work and the EV platform is no different for me.

[Hans2183]

For this to work you 'd have to reprogram an SS9 to run the Ribelle firmware. Besides the challenge in doing so without help of Energica themselves and the risks involved it's also very illegal in most countries since your papers list 80 kW.

It you really want 107 kW trade in your 80 kW model would be my advice.

[Dryer667]

Thanks Hans. So, hypothetically, if I were to find a crashed Ribelle and all the powertrain was intact, are there parts I could individually swap to an Esseesse9 change the power output other than swapping everything over? Does the firmware live within the controller and/or ecu? Again just trying to understand the different parts in play.