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[Richard230]

Here is a possible entry into the (likely) low-budget electric motorcycle market. But with a 93-mile range I wouldn't exactly call it a "tourer". However, it is always nice to have choices in electric motorcycles and if it comes to the U.S. at a decent price it might get more people on electric two wheels.  Here is a link to the news: https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/cfmoto-300gt-e-electric-police-motorcycle-coming-soon/

[DonTom]

Here is a possible entry into the (likely) low-budget electric motorcycle market. But with a 93-mile range I wouldn't exactly call it a "tourer". However, it is always nice to have choices in electric motorcycles and if it comes to the U.S. at a decent price it might get more people on electric two wheels.  Here is a link to the news: https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/cfmoto-300gt-e-electric-police-motorcycle-coming-soon/

That looks like a very nice bike, but I would like to see a decent spec sheet on it.

I cannot think of a more useless spec than "range" on an electric motorcycle. The same goes for charge times. Just tell me the useable KWH of the battery and how many KWs the AC charger is and how many KWs it can charge on DC. And then things such as the weight of the bike. I can figure out the range closer than their meainless range numbers that do not even mention a speed.

Range will become less important in the near future when there are a lot more charge stations than there are now. A bike with almost twice the range witll take almost twice as long to charge up. A little less when only charging to 80% on the larger battery (but 100% on the smaller for perhaps the exact same added KWH)  because of avoiding the slowdown in charging rate above 80%.  Other than that, I would rather stop twice as often for half as long anyway.

From here to Auburn, I need one charge stop on my Energica  SS9-.   I normally charge at the westbound Donnor Summit Rest Area because that CCS is free and it's a perfect location as it's all downhill from there. But I can stop anywhere for my charge, a CCS charge station every few miles on I-80 in CA. 

Yesterday when I rode my Energica to Reno from Auburn, the Cisco Grove exit was closed. They are building a new bridge there across the freeway.  No big deal, I just went to Kingvale to charge up. As long as I have the range to a working charge station I can get to, a 50 mile freeway range would work well for me.

The east bound Donnor Summit CCS charger has been broken for around a year. I could take the next exit and go to the west side but I normally don't want to go west to go east so I usually avoid that.  Besides, if somebody is using it, I could then have a long wait. So I only use the westbound summit rest area when headed for Auburn. I need to recharge my SS9- one time to make the 99 miles to Auburn. I always charge near the summit, as that is half way between my houses.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Richard230]

It is my understanding that most electric motorcycle companies use the adopted "city cycle" standard when providing their advertised maximum range figure. That standard has a lot of stop and go riding, which I seem to recall averages out to about 30 mph during the cycle. So great for city scooters, but not so good for freeway-legal motorcycles. I think Zero's range estimates for "combined" city and freeway travel and for steady freeway riding are pretty reliable in perfect conditions with a solo rider, on level ground riding in calm wind and warm temperatures. But as we all know, most of our riding is not accomplished during perfect conditions. 

[DonTom]

It is my understanding that most electric motorcycle companies use the adopted "city cycle" standard when providing their advertised maximum range figure. That standard has a lot of stop and go riding, which I seem to recall averages out to about 30 mph during the cycle. So great for city scooters, but not so good for freeway-legal motorcycles. I think Zero's range estimates for "combined" city and freeway travel and for steady freeway riding are pretty reliable in perfect conditions with a solo rider, on level ground riding in calm wind and warm temperatures. But as we all know, most of our riding is not accomplished during perfect conditions. 

Tesla uses 65 MPH. I think motorcycles should use the same standard. But as I said before, just tell me the useable capacity of the battery. No need for a range spec and there are too many variables to get an accurate range.


I like to keep my Energica screen on KWs. That way, I can see how much load I am putting on the battery. IIRC, it is a 11.7 KWH useable. So if I stay at a 11.7 KWH power draw, I should be okay for an hour of riding.


All this stuff can be figured out with simple math. No need for a range spec or battery charge times.


Use 5 times the KWH to figure out the freeway range. IOW, 11.7 KWH times 5=58.5 miles of freeway range.


Easy city riding is easier. Just move the decimal over one place. 11.7 KWH is 117 miles of range. Make adjustments for conditions (weather, weight and such) from there. Better than any range spec, IMO.


-Don-  Reno, NV