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[Fred]

Some more interesting stuff about the Triumph TE-1 including range (100 miles) power (130kW / 175bhp) and weight (220kg).
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/for-the-ride/brand/project-triumph-te-1/phase-4

[princec]

Yep, properly competitive numbers. They quote a "real world" range which I think is literally straight talking from Triumph as opposed to pseudobullshit from every other EV manufacturer. That would basically mean the battery is in the 14-16kWh range or so by inference from what tech is out there. The most interesting number is the charging speed... 0...80% in 20 minutes. Oh yes.

Cas

[DonTom]

Yep, properly competitive numbers. They quote a "real world" range which I think is literally straight talking from Triumph as opposed to pseudobullshit from every other EV manufacturer. That would basically mean the battery is in the 14-16kWh range or so by inference from what tech is out there. The most interesting number is the charging speed... 0...80% in 20 minutes. Oh yes.

Cas

When they do not mention the battery KWH or the MPH/KMH speed, a range spec is pure BS on any EV.


My Zero DS with the 7.2 KWH (the unusable max rating) battery could  easily do 100 miles/160km  at a very steady 15 MPH. But such specs are rather useless. I wish they would only give the spec at one freeway speed, as Tesla does, 65 MPH. But perhaps it's better to only know the nominal battery capacity of any EV. We should be able to figure out the rest close enough.


Charging speed is normally faster on a smaller battery. It's charge time per KWH of charge that counts.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[TheRan]

They mention the capacity in this video, can't be bothered to find the bit but it's where they're comparing it to the Livewire. 15 or 16kW/h if I remember correctly. They also give a rough idea as to what it would cost if they actually intended to bring it to market. Makes me wonder why they went through all that effort and got it so polished if they have no intention of selling it, perhaps they've said why somewhere else and I've missed it.

[Fred]

It does look like so much more finished than a prototype. I'm amazed they aren't announcing plans to get it into production soon.

[Richard230]

The video clip mentioned that the bike had a 15 kWh battery. It is apparently a technology demonstrator and they don't plan to market the TE-1, but if they did the price would come in around 28 UK pounds.  It seems like a very well designed bike and no doubt Triumph and their partners learned a lot from this design exercise.

[flynnstig82r]

I would hope they're not planning to charge 25k+ GBP for the production version! Triumph badge or no, that would be a very tough sell against the likes of the Ribelle RS, even if it might be lighter and faster from 50->100 MPH. I can see a version with ~100 HP and 15 kWh for ~$18k selling pretty well, though.

If they want to be able to actually use 175 HP and not have their TC and anti-wheelie control take it away, they'll need to make something with a longer wheelbase, which might be more of a drag bike or sport tourer and not what they seem to be going for here.

[TheRan]

There won't be a production version. The electric bike they're planning on making in the future will be lower performance, somewhere between it and a scooter. Could be anything from a Zero S to an SR/F. I don't really get why they went through so much effort for research purposes to then go and make a "worse" bike, when so many people seem to want the TE-1 and it's what the production bike will be compared to.

[NEW2elec]

Very disappointing.  I was expecting at least Ego level of range and speed.  Instead it's more like a faster charging SRF with a little more power.

It did prove one of the dirty little secrets of why big gas bike manufactures haven't jumped into electric bikes yet.  Because no matter how many years they have made gas bikes and all the tricks they know for those engines, it means nothing when it comes to electric.
They are just helpless babies wet behind the ears.

[flynnstig82r]

There won't be a production version. The electric bike they're planning on making in the future will be lower performance, somewhere between it and a scooter. Could be anything from a Zero S to an SR/F. I don't really get why they went through so much effort for research purposes to then go and make a "worse" bike, when so many people seem to want the TE-1 and it's what the production bike will be compared to.

Oh I saw the bit about a scooter but I assumed they meant another model in addition to this one. I suppose it's just as well if they couldn't produce the TE-1 and sell it for less than 25k. A Livewire S2 competitor with DCFC would still fill a gap in the market, if that's what they end up going for. It doesn't seem like they're in much hurry to jump into producing e-bikes that compete with the medium 3, and I can't say I blame them given that we're still such a small niche. At least they've taught themselves how to make a decent electric for when the time comes.

[Richard230]

Here is an illustrated article regarding the TE-1, along with a list of the collaborators that contributed to the Triumph electric motorcycle technology demonstrator project:  https://thepack.news/triumph-announced-the-official-completion-of-the-te-1-electric-development-project/

It looks to me like the project was funded by both a government grant (mentioned in a early article regarding the development of the TE-1) and contributions from all of the listed sponsors. I imagine that what Triumph did was to develop the chassis, styling and packaging of the power train components that were developed by the various companies listed at the end of the article. The purpose was apparently to give the various collaborators experience in developing batteries, motors and controllers at a cost less (likely much less) than doing so for an automobile chassis.

I give Triumph credit for being involved in the project, but I didn't care for their comparison of the TE-1 (in the video clip posted above) with Energica, LiveWire and the Ducati EV, which are all being produced for the consumer market, while the Triumph is not.

[Stonewolf]

Yeah, THE TE-1 was really a government capabilities program with Triumph brought on for the actual motorcycle expertise. It was never intended for production and you could tell right from the start because the initial photos they released showed a Chademo socket and no AC socket which is exactly what you'd do if you weren't making a practical motorcycle and wanted to be able to DC charge on the fly and only AC charge with external hardware.