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[JaimeC]

CCS? NACS?

Unless they go DCFC, is NACS really necessary at this point?   You can't use Tesla Superchargers unless you have DCFC.  You can use Tesla destination chargers with an adapter.   And if they go NACS without going DCFC then in the USA you would need to carry an adapter if you wanted to use any of the thousands of J1772 level 2 plugs out in the wild.   

When I said "NACS" I MEANT DCFC. I know I can use a destination charger with a TeslaTap, that's old news.

[mdjak1]

https://imgur.com/a/XRsOco0

[TheRan]

Interesting, so it looks like maybe three different sizes of bikes. I was thinking the right one may be another DS variant and the left an FX, but the tyres on both look to be about the same level of skinny. Maybe an off-road only and on road version with mirrors. My guess for the middle one is an S/SR/SR/f with FXE like styling.

EDIT: On viewing the actual page the background cycles through a few different images, one that caught my eye shows a drive chain on a spoked wheel. So that gives credence to there being an off-road bike. Also looks to be someone wearing a dirt helmet with some 100% goggles. It looks like there may also be a close up of the top headlight bulb of the left and right bikes, either that or an SR/F headlight that they threw in there for fun.

EDIT2: So I managed to get the URL for the video so I could go through it frame by frame, one of which gives some specs. Seems like the model name may be XR, 223 pounds (101kg), possibly 65hp. So, almost the power of the R models while weighing like 30kg less than an FX. Not far off a Stark Varg either which is 60/80hp and 118kg.

https://download-video.akamaized.net/v3-1/playback/896d3d02-a828-43fd-8491-9f4bd0c31c03/22a9f7e4?__token__=st=1729896509~exp=1729910909~acl=%2Fv3-1%2Fplayback%2F896d3d02-a828-43fd-8491-9f4bd0c31c03%2F22a9f7e4%2A~hmac=5e5ae4b8cc60bb4f3f7223fdb7c7b3bca210dbef2b8e3d05da549cbed6bae860&r=dXMtZWFzdDE%3D

[Fred]

There's now a bit more of the bikes visible on the Zero site. The covers have been drawn back a bit more in the latest photo.

[T.S. Zarathustra]

Now I'm guessing FX based offroad, mini-bike, and Gen3 based offroad.
The "clutch" pedals on the offroad bikes?

[TheRan]

Got a bit more info visible in the background now and it's a lot less exciting than I originally thought. First up we have another model name, the XE. What I thought was going to be 65hp is actually 65km (40 miles), presumably that's going to be range so not great. Below that we have 7.5kW and I don't see a H after it (plus it would make more sense for it to be 7.2kW/h) so that's a little under 10hp. The top speed for the XR ends in an 8 (maybe a 3) and the top speed for the XE starts with a 5, so the XE is obviously going to be a sub 60mph bike (the speed in km ends with a 5 so it's either going to be 85 or 53mph, or 95 or 59mph).

I was thinking the X bikes would be the off-road ones and they're leaving out the middle one for some reason, but those are grom tier minibike specs. I can't imagine them bringing out dirt bikes that are even worse than an FX.

[princec]

I can imagine Zero getting in on the action to compete with Sur-Ron and similar. That's a pretty big market. Not much interest to us road bike riders though.

Cas

[flynnstig82r]

Got a bit more info visible in the background now and it's a lot less exciting than I originally thought. First up we have another model name, the XE. What I thought was going to be 65hp is actually 65km (40 miles), presumably that's going to be range so not great. Below that we have 7.5kW and I don't see a H after it (plus it would make more sense for it to be 7.2kW/h) so that's a little under 10hp. The top speed for the XR ends in an 8 (maybe a 3) and the top speed for the XE starts with a 5, so the XE is obviously going to be a sub 60mph bike (the speed in km ends with a 5 so it's either going to be 85 or 53mph, or 95 or 59mph).

I was thinking the X bikes would be the off-road ones and they're leaving out the middle one for some reason, but those are grom tier minibike specs. I can't imagine them bringing out dirt bikes that are even worse than an FX.

Why not? That’s where the sales are in this market. Unless they’re going to rip off the 116v band-aid, they’ve got nowhere to go in the high end, nothing that will entice existing owners to upgrade to another $18k bike. They must have decided that now is the time to use their premium brand name to sell cheaper <=125cc equivalents, and I don’t blame them.

[TheRan]

I just don't see them getting prices low enough to compete with the likes of Surron, Talaria, E-ride, etc. nor see many people picking them over those manufacturers. Most people that own them are teens or young adults and probably never even heard of Zero because they have no interest in road legal bikes.

[T.S. Zarathustra]

I just don't see them getting prices low enough to compete with the likes of Surron, Talaria, E-ride, etc. nor see many people picking them over those manufacturers. Most people that own them are teens or young adults and probably never even heard of Zero because they have no interest in road legal bikes.

I suddenly got a thought of Zero branded Surron, made in the Philippines.

[flynnstig82r]

I just don't see them getting prices low enough to compete with the likes of Surron, Talaria, E-ride, etc. nor see many people picking them over those manufacturers. Most people that own them are teens or young adults and probably never even heard of Zero because they have no interest in road legal bikes.

That’s true, but they do have the access to companies like Showa that only “real” manufacturers get. Remember when they first started out and had to use FastAce suspension. They also have a dealer network. Someone might pay $5999 for a Zero “Surron” over a $4,500 Talaria if they feel like they will get better components and support. I have often thought about getting a little 80cc-equivalent electric runabout that the wife can also use, but what always stops me is the thought of spending four-digits on something and possibly being left in the lurch. I’d rather go electric, but I end up looking at used 150cc Vespas instead. Now, ultimately I’m not the right buyer to pay that kind of money for something with so little capability, but I do think there’s at least some market potential.

EDIT: Just saw that the XE and XB were announced today at $6.5k and $4k. Not the runabout I was looking for, more like a dedicated dirt bike. Would suit me fine if I could get it plated, but my 5’2” wife would never be able to get her feet down.