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staples

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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2021, 06:29:33 PM »

You still drink juice boxes?  :o
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2021, 07:57:46 PM »

You still drink juice boxes?  :o

I find juice boxes to be very handy to drink from when I go camping.  ;)
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2021, 11:30:58 PM »

You still drink juice boxes?  :o

You too good for a juice box, bro? Mott's would like a word with you.
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2021, 01:50:31 AM »

After a certain age I stopped even considering juice boxes. I guess since I don't have any spawn they never re-entered my life.
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2021, 04:18:09 AM »

I'll file those suggestions under 'My stairs are safe as long as I'm in good shape to make the varied height steps'.

-Crissa
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2021, 02:50:40 AM »

When the bike comes to a stop, you no longer have to apply throttle - relax all you need then.

How often do you actually stop your bike during a ride?
For me i usually stop after an hour or so, or if there is some purpose to it. But going one hour without some sort of relaxation can be a long time.

I get some relaxation by
1: Allowing the bike to coast (can be done in slopes that aren't too steep, which there are plenty of around here)
2: Using Cruise control (right now, that is only a viable option for long-straight road/ highways which aren't my favourite pick for joyrides- but if this is subject to change i might use it a lot.).

For 1, this requires changing settings for regen should be fast and without reading the dash. (There are other options that would work for me, such as hold to reset+ push for each step up, but id prefer toggling up and down using the mode button- in stead of menu toggling).

Now one can always skill up etc master difficult control positions, knowing where the 0-point throttle etc. But it can also be done easy- hassle and risk free- which is why i started this thread. As it seems, by this thread, even experienced E-mc riders doesn't use their bike to the full potential in these terms- perhaps because they do not need, or because it doesnt appeal to them, but i know i will if i get the chance.

For my own part, the last four years i have about 60kkm of EV driving (along with 30kkm on the Zero i owned) with an ionic EV which is much similiar to the Energica bikes in the available regen schemes . Only difference is that the Ionic has near perfected switching regen modes by having two handles by the steering wheel to toggle regen up or down. Now i have to admit, the first 20kkm of driving, i did mostly change regen when braking, otherwise i was coasting as much as possible- which is great for fuel economy but not the fastest most precise way to get around.  At some point i decided to try one pedal driving, so i got into using full regen more, and then modulating everything using the pedal. Now this works great for driving in dense traffic, or twisty roads where going in precise and using the EV acceleration for what it is worth is  the way to go. However most of the time road and traffic is shifting, so i adapt my regen style to the road ahead. That means changing between coasting (The ionic cannot be beaten here, as it gains speed from even the slightest of slopes), low, medium and high regen on the fly several times on virtually every trip i go. I also use Cruise control quite frequently, to relax my legs- as i also do using coasting from time to time. In the car using CC is quite simple and adaptive too, so that helps a lot. Now by combining techniques, i'm able to drive longer and more relaxed than ever before i must stop, and i can adapt to any situation in a split second (a two button combo- won't cut it by any chance). In the car, i hardly ever use brakes for anything but parking the car, yet i also coast nearly every time i drive the car for more than a couple of minutes (The ionic requires using the brake pedal from time to time, but that increases regen long before the brake pads are being utilized).

Now of course driving a car and a motorcycle is different in many aspects. We are more often on the alert, more often going about actively- however all sorts of roads and situations do occur. Sometimes you just want to go from A to B with the least amount of effort. Sometimes you want to maximize your pleasure of riding actively (where my new bike excels), and likely a longer ride will combine the two, as some roads leaves you little freedom in riding style (dense traffic, or densely populated areas, etc) and you have to use those to get to the fun liberating part. In my riding scenarios for example there are a lot of fun narrow winding roads, sprinkled with town areas where one has to go slow (40-50-60 km/h zones). So while going through these i can of course stop and relax my wrist, legs and arms, but id prefer not having to stop if i can coast, Cruice, or otherwise relax while getting to the next fun stretch.

In order to maximize the fun to rest ratio, id like to have all options for regen and cruise settings available. From what i see here, and other EV forums, it seems that at the current time most ppl are happy finding one scheme that fits them, which makes them love or hate the other options they don't use. Now while that is perfectly OK for them, i think having readily available all different methods of regen, and cruise control, will satisfy most, even though perhaps few will want to capitalize on all their options the way i would like to do.

Since these options mostly are governed by SW, and all the hardware required already are in the bike already, I voiced my opinion to see if it resonates. I will of course continue to enjoy my bike, practice and better my skills, regardless of the impact this might have.  :)
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2021, 04:37:01 PM »

As someone coming from ICE bikes, I'd like to see a "gear selector" like switch for the left foot where I can increase or decrease regen, much like shifting down before a tight corner. I guess it must be patented if no one tried to do this so far :)
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2021, 10:39:22 PM »

As someone coming from ICE bikes, I'd like to see a "gear selector" like switch for the left foot where I can increase or decrease regen, much like shifting down before a tight corner. I guess it must be patented if no one tried to do this so far :)

Left-foot switch is a cool idea and non-disruptive to challenging handling situations where throttle feathering and tight handlebar grip become important - make it user programmable for regen as stated, it emulates down-shifting which right there gives rider greater control.  Neat.
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2021, 08:46:42 PM »

BTW OP...

Eco Mode perhaps exhibits the best throttle dead-band capability for coasting control - nulling gear-whine audible level, as feedback mechanism, seems to be best method for steady-state control much much easier than Urban Mode - forget about coasting in Sport Mode, IMO and yeah, the limitations in Eco Mode need to be factored, e.g. works best for surface street running on extreme hot days.
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Re: Regen and CC user interface while riding..?
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2021, 01:19:40 AM »

After I've gotten used to coasting on my Ego where there's no noise coming from the gearbox, I noticed I can do the same thing in my Model 3 Performance if the radio's off.
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