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[Curt]

Do I have to repeat this?

No, readers would already have had an understanding of your personal concept of "long distance". But among my club, 130 miles is the average for a Saturday ride 10am-3pm, and up to 400 for a summer loop through the Sierras, or even three days of that. Ignoring the Iron Butt loonies.

[MVetter]

No, readers would already have had an understanding of your personal concept of "long distance". But among my club, 130 miles is the average for a Saturday ride 10am-3pm, and up to 400 for a summer loop through the Sierras, or even three days of that. Ignoring the Iron Butt loonies.

Shhhh, if you ignore the crazy attention seekers they'll eventually get confused and go away

[Curt]

Thank you Mark. The SR/x bikes do sound disappointing and hazardous. Since the battery characteristics don't differ significantly from Gen 2, I'd agree it's got to be a firmware problem. It would be one thing if flawed range estimates were only used for display purposes on the GOM (guess-o-meter, as we call it on the Chevy Bolt Forum), but it sounds like these calculations are used in the decision to reduce propulsion. Over-engineering? It's worthy of a recall (or OTA update).

[NervEasy]

I don't get it. Regardless of firmware, if the bike doesn't give the range Zero specifies (which it clearly can't, when you use the SOC as a guide) this is an open and shut case of battery warranty. Even if it is firmware bringing the bike to a dealer and asking for a battery replacement would be the logical course of action and would give Zero an incentive to fixing this.

If they start spinning a story about a firmware issue and the magic recharge stuff. The battery does no longer give the range/energy it specifies -> warranty replacement.

I know the problem would still persist after a swap, but this way Zero has an incentive of fixing this asap.

[princec]

I think it would be naive to think it worked that way. It's clearly not a battery problem. You'd think they'd be all over fixing that firmware, like, yesterday though, on account of it being so easy to fix. Sheesh.

Cas

[NervEasy]

I think it would be naive to think it worked that way. It's clearly not a battery problem. You'd think they'd be all over fixing that firmware, like, yesterday though, on account of it being so easy to fix. Sheesh.

Cas

Yes it is naive, but it's the only thing a user can do in my opinion. The problem manifests itself as a bike with way less range as promised, hence a trip to dealer and a user request for a battery warranty. If it's a firmware fix that's good for Zero but as a user it's the only thing you can do to put pressure on Zero.

[princec]

I think it'd just cause Zero to dismiss or otherwise ignore your claims. They'll doubtless have a simple test for the battery that shows it to be working fine, and then you'll have wasted your time. Especially, anyway, as they know the firmware is the problem (they're not that stupid). But again... I wonder "out loud" why they aren't all over this, and again, I wonder what if this had been Tesla.

Cas

[Crissa]

Shhhh, if you ignore the crazy attention seekers they'll eventually get confused and go away

I see, you really can't take anything but adoration.

I have liked every one of your videos, I dislike one, and now I'm an 'attention seeker'?

What does that make yourself?

-Crissa

[mistasam]

I have liked every one of your videos, I dislike one, and now I'm an 'attention seeker'?

I think Morgan was referring to the nutter iron butters.

I really enjoyed the suspense and drama of this video, and it was edited really well.  At the same time though, I feel this is showing more what the bike CAN'T do, rather than what it can, like what Long Way Up did for the Livewire.  So although this is a realistic documentation of what it's like riding an SR/F with problems caused by the latest firmware, it'll definitely steer people away from buying a Zero, and I don't know how I feel about that.

[NEW2elec]

Well they're doing a part 2 after the firmware is fixed so that's fair.

[Curt]

it'll definitely steer people away from buying a Zero, and I don't know how I feel about that.

In the case of your entertaining 400 mile taco adventure (Long Day Up), in 12 hours total your Energica used 50 kWh with 2.5 hours charging. On an SR/F that would have meant ~5 hours charging at 12kW, not terrible. But with the firmware such as it is, limping along for 800 miles would be... unpleasant.

[MVetter]

It took him 17 hours to go 324 miles. That's just under 20mph had he been driving the whole time.

And we absolutely look forward to making a part 2 where everything works as Zero intended it to.

[princec]

Indeed... by coincidence I regularly do a 325 mile trip to visit my mum, takes me 6 hours on my XAdv (and only uses 5 gallons of petrol, not bad)

Cas