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ADVENTURESonZERO

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WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« on: November 07, 2020, 11:38:15 AM »

ISO a used charge tank for a 2017 DSR.
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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2020, 12:36:57 PM »

ISO a used charge tank for a 2017 DSR.
Have you thought about the many other methods to fast charge?

I charge my 2017 SR (with POWER tank, not charge tank) as high as ten KW at home, 8KW when on the road and I have no charge tank.

But I do have a couple of side bags that can hold a 3.3 KW charger in each.

-Don-  Reno, NV
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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2020, 02:20:14 PM »

Yeah, but your chargers are huge, Don ^-^

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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2020, 06:42:46 PM »

Yeah, but your chargers are huge, Don ^-^

-Crissa
I only take them as needed. The size is not an issue. My 3.3 KW chargers I use for my SR are the same ones DigiNow used in the bike--not really all that large.

My two 2.5 KW chargers I use for my DS are larger & heavier yet not as powerful as my 3.3 KWs. The difference is when they were designed. The 2.5 KWs are older.

90% of the time, I leave them at home. I only take them for longer trips.

There was a time that I took a couple of DeltaQ's. Those are huge & expensive for the very little they do (~850 watts DC output).

-Don-  Reno, NV
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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 07:50:22 AM »

ISO a used charge tank for a 2017 DSR.
Have you thought about the many other methods to fast charge?

I charge my 2017 SR (with POWER tank, not charge tank) as high as ten KW at home, 8KW when on the road and I have no charge tank.

But I do have a couple of side bags that can hold a 3.3 KW charger in each.

-Don-  Reno, NV

Don,

Currently I have one quiq charger that I keep in my top pannier. There aren't many level 2 chargers in my area - so the charge tank is mainly when I want to take longer trips to areas that do have the level 2. From my limited research, the diginows are harder to come by than the charge tanks - and there's the installation portion that could go haywire (from my understanding). Plus, voiding warranty makes me nervous currently, at least while my bike is still covered.

What's your take?
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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2020, 10:00:46 AM »

Don,

Currently I have one quiq charger that I keep in my top pannier. There aren't many level 2 chargers in my area - so the charge tank is mainly when I want to take longer trips to areas that do have the level 2. From my limited research, the diginows are harder to come by than the charge tanks - and there's the installation portion that could go haywire (from my understanding). Plus, voiding warranty makes me nervous currently, at least while my bike is still covered.

What's your take?
You can do what I d0. Sounds perfect for your situation. As long as you're capable of doing a little electrical work on your bike. Charging it below 1C should cause no issues. IOW,  charge less than the KWH capacity of your bike. You have a 2017 DSR. If you have the 13 KWH battery, charging it at up to 10 KW should not void the warranty or do any damage. But we won't even go that high.

You will need side bags, a hydraulic crimping tool & a couple of small Anderson connectors, with the contacts.  You will have to run wires to the motor controller to a couple of small Anderson connectors to anywhere down low on the bike. The perfect location is to the front of the left passenger foot peg.

You can buy the chargers at Elcon. They will program them for you. They will stop at 114 VDC (~95% SOC). Very simple and work very well. Leave them at home until you need them. Elcon can ship them to you if you live far away from Sacramento.

They only cost around $700.00 each. At 240 VAC they do 3.3 KW each. If used with 120 VAC, they do half that (unlike the DelaQs). They are less complicated than your DeltaQ's or Diginows. The only down side is they only charge to 95%, which I do NOT find to be a big  disadvantage. Your OBC takes over from there, if you really need that last 5%

If you think you can do the work, I can explain better all the info. you need.

You can start to wire the bike before you even have the chargers. And just plug them in when they arrive.

BTW, I use a 25 amp fuse on each battery  line to the motor controller. This is more to protect the bike than anything else.  I use  common 12 volt blade auto fuses with that 117 volts.  That is all that is needed. Because if the fuse opens, the charger turns off instantly and you have zero volts. I deliberately  blew a couple of ten amp fuses while charging  to prove that was all that was needed. The Elcon chargers put out nothing until they see the voltage coming the other way. And stop instantly when it's missing.  That makes the voltage rating of the fuses  irrelevant as they cannot arc across.

With the two 3.3 KW chargers plus the OBC, you're at around 7.9 KW. That's more than many J1772 stations can handle. But there are several ways to deal with that, which I can explain later.

If you have any interest in doing this work, I can explain better. Any questions?

-Don- Auburn, CA
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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2020, 03:45:08 AM »

Hey Don, I’m very interested to hear about getting it below 7.9kw do you just unplug the OBC? We have a lot of level 2 chargers here in the UK which are rated for 7.68kw mostly, at 240v. I am an electrician so will be going down the Elcon route when I get my Zero soon ! I just need to decide on which one to go for! 7.2kw S for cheap or get the 14.4 but it’s £3000
More!!! And the 7.2 will have the space for extra chargers in the storage compartment where the other battery would be leaving space in the side boxes.
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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2020, 07:05:55 AM »

Hey Don, I’m very interested to hear about getting it below 7.9kw do you just unplug the OBC? We have a lot of level 2 chargers here in the UK which are rated for 7.68kw mostly, at 240v. I am an electrician so will be going down the Elcon route when I get my Zero soon ! I just need to decide on which one to go for! 7.2kw S for cheap or get the 14.4 but it’s £3000
More!!! And the 7.2 will have the space for extra chargers in the storage compartment where the other battery would be leaving space in the side boxes.
You can just not use the OBC but then you have to keep the key on to close the contactor for the external chargers to work that are wired to the motor controller.

If that is not acceptable to you (it wasn't to me), then do this here.

-Don-  Pahrump, NV
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1984 Yamaha Venture
2002 Suzuki DR200SE
2013 Triumph Trophy SE
2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 LT
2017 Blk/Gold HD Road Glide Ultra
2017 Org Zero DS ZF 6.5/(now is 7.2)
2017 Red Zero SR ZF13 w/ Pwr Tank
2020 Energica EVA SS9
2023 Energica Experia LE
2023 Zero DSR/X

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Re: WTB used charge tank for 2017 DSR
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2020, 04:43:37 AM »

Hey Don, I’m very interested to hear about getting it below 7.9kw do you just unplug the OBC? We have a lot of level 2 chargers here in the UK which are rated for 7.68kw mostly, at 240v. I am an electrician so will be going down the Elcon route when I get my Zero soon ! I just need to decide on which one to go for! 7.2kw S for cheap or get the 14.4 but it’s £3000
More!!! And the 7.2 will have the space for extra chargers in the storage compartment where the other battery would be leaving space in the side boxes.
You can just not use the OBC but then you have to keep the key on to close the contactor for the external chargers to work that are wired to the motor controller.

If that is not acceptable to you (it wasn't to me), then do this here.

-Don-  Pahrump, NV


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