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Crissa

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Re: Battery care question
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2020, 12:06:52 PM »

Ehh, pushing a bike up a hill is still pushing a bike up a hill.  It took both of us!

And it was probably just not happy because it was 90-something out, I'd just ridden 86 miles over 2500' passes twice, and it hadn't been ridden that much in months or ever.  It could happen to any EV.

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Re: Battery care question
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2020, 12:39:40 PM »

Ehh, pushing a bike up a hill is still pushing a bike up a hill.  It took both of us!

And it was probably just not happy because it was 90-something out, I'd just ridden 86 miles over 2500' passes twice, and it hadn't been ridden that much in months or ever.  It could happen to any EV.

-Crissa
I wonder why your SOC is off. The norm is to be able to get a few miles even after 0 SOC.

If I let my SS9 go totally dead, even near home, I would have to call a tow truck unless was down hill. So when I was down to 1% SOC in limp mode, I stayed up hill from my Auburn house as much as possible.

Such would not be possible here in Reno because I am on the very top of the hill. All directions are downhill from here.

-Don-  Reno, NV

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Re: Battery care question
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2020, 09:31:07 PM »

Well, like I said, it was its first big trip in years: it's prior owner did not us it like that.  Second, hills and heat increased its error rate; I can't know if one of the error codes it was flashing was some component too hot, because I didn't know how to download the logs at the time.

Lastly, the grade was steep.  That seems to really throw my Zero and its little battery for a loop.  Limp mode is there for a reason, drawing too many amps at the end of the curve on a lithium battery is likely to throw voltage off the cliff.

Not much of a mystery.

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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2020, 12:47:21 PM »

This is a good topic, how come nobody talks about thermal degradation and only SOC?  Momentary extremes (hours maybe not days) for SOC is harmless compared to heat extremes even momentary ones.  LG_Chem for pouch cells are rated to 60C operation, Energica allows 40C which is a pretty good de-rating.  No expert here by any standard, particularly with NMC chemistry, but heat is the devil that causes the pouch swelling and the physical constraints of each cell's packaging causes the mechanical stresses that degrades the cell further.  Energica rates their batteries for racing and the tolerance for heat is outstanding but as an owner if you temper your charging and discharging habits on >90F days and ride like you stole it on <50F days, one will be surprised at the longevity gained versus totally ignoring the thermals.  SOC is easy to manage in comparison.  The battery warranty suitably represents the potential for damage - the actual longevity is surprising, 1/4 million miles at 25C or something like that,  when the topic was discussed w/ Energica - maybe they were pulling my leg just to sell me a bike...
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