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Author Topic: Bicycle Suspension  (Read 376 times)

Apriliarsv

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Bicycle Suspension
« on: September 25, 2019, 06:00:54 AM »

I can't believe what they are putting on bicycles.
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Re: Bicycle Suspension
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2019, 01:55:55 PM »

That sounds like it would make more sense on a motorcycle where we could absorb the extra weight and power requirements more easily.
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Re: Bicycle Suspension
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2019, 07:39:17 PM »

That sounds like it would make more sense on a motorcycle where we could absorb the extra weight and power requirements more easily.

But if it was on a motorcycle, buyers probably wouldn't pay for the technology - unless they were BMW customers, of course.   ::)  But then that would never happen as BMW never uses technology that they don't develop themselves (or use when the patent expires).   ;)
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Re: Bicycle Suspension
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2019, 06:15:32 AM »

That sounds like it would make more sense on a motorcycle where we could absorb the extra weight and power requirements more easily.

But if it was on a motorcycle, buyers probably wouldn't pay for the technology - unless they were BMW customers, of course.   ::)  But then that would never happen as BMW never uses technology that they don't develop themselves (or use when the patent expires).   ;)

Didn't WP &/or Showa make BMW’s first few ESA systems?
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Re: Bicycle Suspension
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2019, 07:51:29 PM »

That sounds like it would make more sense on a motorcycle where we could absorb the extra weight and power requirements more easily.

But if it was on a motorcycle, buyers probably wouldn't pay for the technology - unless they were BMW customers, of course.   ::)  But then that would never happen as BMW never uses technology that they don't develop themselves (or use when the patent expires).   ;)

Didn't WP &/or Showa make BMW’s first few ESA systems?

BMW seems to go for the low-bidder when it comes to their suspension systems. They appear to switch vendors every now and then.  I don't believe that they ever used WP as that company is owned by KTM.  A few years ago their semi-active ESA suspensions were being manufactured by an long-time Italian suspension company whose name I can't spell, but begins with an "M". Then they switched to Sachs, who made the "semi-active" (and completely lazy) suspension components used on my RS. This year they returned to the Italian firm again and their stuff seems to work a lot better than the Sachs brand. If they ever bought suspension components from Showa, I never heard about it, but they might have used that company for their non-ESA bottom-feeder low-budget models (which are almost impossible to obtain).   ???
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2019, 09:18:06 PM »

In a past life I had a 2005 K1209S with ESA but I don’t recall the brand.
I found this yesterday so at one point BMW has used both. 

I believe Marzocchi  is the other company that your thinking of. 
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Re: Bicycle Suspension
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2019, 09:28:58 PM »

In a past life I had a 2005 K1209S with ESA but I don’t recall the brand.
I found this yesterday

The information in that video was news to me.  I had a 2007 R1200R (which I traded-in for my current RS) with ESA that worked better than the Sachs ESA suspension on my 2016 RS. I have no idea who made those components, though. But it does go to show you how BMW moves from one manufacturer to another.
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