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Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« on: September 24, 2019, 11:58:40 PM »

Planning some touring with the SR/F. Some overnight stops will have only 5-15 outlets (the standard household outlet in North America). The charger that comes with the SR/F would work but is heavy and bulky, as it can handle much higher current than US household. Anyone know of a lower amp level one charger with a J1772 plug? Clipper Creek makes one but it’s bulky and expensive. Everything else I’ve found on line is 16 amp, too much.
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2019, 01:58:06 AM »

Did you check out the https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Chargers

Why would you care to have more than standard household outlet for overnight?  Even an SR/F can recharge in that time...

I'd worry about overloading the site circuit unless they have an RV outlet.

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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2019, 02:25:16 AM »

The SR/F does not support charging from any other charger than what it carries in the tank area.

There's probably a way to safely tap into the circuit, but it'll require some knowledge and careful electrical practices to perform.

All of the chargers listed on the unofficial manual are for pre-Gen3 (SR/F) models, which have a brown Anderson connector and a basic protocol for external chargers to interact with the bike. The unofficial manual entries will not work for the SR/F.
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2019, 02:28:23 AM »

I see that I misread the question, and you're looking for an adapter cable (110V outlet to J1772 in the USA), not a charger.

What you want to google for is "EVSE adapter". There are a bunch of options of varying quality and capabilities. I keep some short adapters that help me use 220V AC from a dryer outlet for example, but also for camping plugs.
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2019, 02:30:00 AM »

Clipper Creek makes one but it’s bulky and expensive. Everything else I’ve found on line is 16 amp, too much.

16A is actually very good and is not too much. It's a very good idea to have a cable rated for more than the load, because as it's used, the warmth should not wear out the cable and cause a fault or fire.
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2019, 03:48:20 AM »

I keep some short adapters that help me use 220V AC from a dryer outlet for example,
Which one would you recommend for that?  It would free up a circuit in my house and lower the carrying amperage of the cable to my parking.

-Crissa

PS: I'm surprised the SR/F doesn't come with a level 1 adapter.  My Level 2 adapter from TusconEV fits in my storage on the bike.
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2019, 03:55:45 AM »

I keep a very short adapter to the J1772 plug, and then plug other adapter cables that one can find at hardware stores with well-stocked sections for electricians.

Try not to use more than two stretches of cable to any power source, to avoid heat in the plugs from resistance, and try not to have the overall length exceed 25’ unless you buy overrated (thicker) cables, to avoid wearing out the cables from resistance heat.

The chargers page above I think links to some acceptable vendors including TucsonEV. Just make sure you buy something with a guarantee that matches what you’re doing, especially the current capacity.

If I recall, the SR/F draws 15A at either 110 or 220V AC, so 16A is actually a good margin.
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2019, 08:44:39 AM »

Pretty clear that my OP needs some clarification:
Looking for the lightest, most compact option for touring with an SR/F and living with regular US or Canadian household outlets. The charging gear that comes with the SR/F works and is not very heavy and bulky. But I'm looking for something even more compact and lighter. Looking for better that would work with a household outlet..
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019, 01:08:09 PM »

If staying in a motel, I'd probably ask for a strategic ground floor room and sneak the bike inside. :) In that case, I'd want to limit the level 1 at 12A/1440W because 16A/1920W continuous will blow breakers and/or burn the place down.

How bulky is the EVSE that comes with SR/F, compared to the Duosida?

Otherwise I can't see any 12A EVSE other than the bulky Clipper Creek. Doesn't it seem like someone should make a tiny one where they dispense with GFCI and current meters and give a longer AC line and shorter J1772 cable? The smallest EVSEs are still expensive. https://store.evsolutions.com/turbocord-dual-120240v-plug-in-ev-charger-p28.aspx

If you're handy with electronics or looking for a project, maybe you could get an OpenEVSE kit and downsize it into a small project box. Or even more advanced, build your own. TI has an amazing EVSE reference design: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidub87/tidub87.pdf
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Re: Lightweight, compact level one J1772 option less than 16 amps?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2019, 07:21:46 PM »

I keep some short adapters that help me use 220V AC from a dryer outlet for example,
Which one would you recommend for that?  It would free up a circuit in my house and lower the carrying amperage of the cable to my parking.
I got a Jesla, a 40 amp Tesla portable charger modified to use a J1772.  It came with adapters for NEMA 5-15 (household wall outlet) and NEMA 14-50 (RV park outlet).  I also purchased the adapter for NEMA 10-30 (old clothes dryers) which I have in my house.
I wanted this for planned traveling, where I wanted to be able to charge anywhere.  I am looking at also getting a Tesla Tap to be able to use Tesla destination charging stations.

Like the OP, I originally wanted a small level 1-only charging adapter.  But the Jesla won out because of its ability to charge at many different outlet types.
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