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BigPoppa

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High mileage Energicas
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:15:24 AM »

Curious what kind of mileage the higher mileage Energicas out there have.

For those of you that have had them for awhile and have put significant mileage on them, what has the maintenance been like?

I can't find an owner's manual online to peruse so I'm curious about a few areas:

1) How often does the oil in the motor have to be changed? I noticed on AF1.com they sell drain plugs, washers, etc. leading me to believe the oil in the motor needs to be changed at some regular interval.
2) How often does the coolant for the VPU/Inverter/? need to be changed? From pics, it looks like a relatively small bottle of coolant but again, no info on the interwebz that I can find regarding replacement.

Does anyone have over 31k miles on an Energica? If so, how has the battery held up and have you noticed any reduction in maximum SOC?

Thanks in advance for any insights. Although I have an SR/F on order, a dealer in my area has a few Energicas in stock and I'm going to go test ride them this week. I'm a little concerned the Energicas may not meet my needs as a daily rider/commuter without maintenance intervals similar to an ICE bike but I'm trying to keep an open mind on the bikes.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2019, 01:09:03 PM »

Maintenance is first 600 mls/ 1000 km, then every 6k miles or 10k km. Besides inspections, following items need change:

- oil in gears and engine, total 2 liters universal ATF Dextron IV + washer, filter
- coolant, standard 50/50 water/glycol, forgot how little, but it's very cheap.
- brake fluid
My dealer typically bills me 1 hour labour + fluids and small items. Personally I think that the ATF oil change, but specially the coolant changes, are way overkill, but as long I am in warranty I have to follow the maintenance. With the 20k km service, we agreed it was kind of silly to replace brake fluid for the third time in 1,5 year. Firmware updates are only pushed to the bike by the dealer. Reason is that the amount of data transferred is huge.

Battery capacity: battery and engine of the Energica are known as bullet proof. No other Energica driver I know has seen degradation. Also temperature management is excellent. Due to the cooling plate in the battery, it's actually possible to cool a warm battery down during driving. Nice that you have an open mind towards the Energica motorcycles and are going to test drive. I am actually thinking the other way around: would a Zero be just as well constructed as an Energica and cope with the heavy commuter usage? I guess I don't have to explain you the benefits of CCS charging.

 
 
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2019, 02:53:25 PM »

I agree with SBK74, think the maintenance is way overkill. Engine coolant doesn't break down and deteriorate at those intervals and neither does ATF Dextron. Energica's haven't been on the market very long and I doubt anyone has 30K + miles on them yet.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2019, 05:26:22 PM »

Thanks for the feedback. It helps a lot. I’ve read nothing but positive comments regarding the Energicas’ performance and I’m looking forward to test riding them and seeing how they compare to the SR/F I test rode.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 01:17:22 AM »

BigPoppa,

I have an Eva 107 and a month ago test rode a SR/F. 0-70 they are REALLY, REALLY close. But the Eva is stronger above that. As far as regen goes the SR/F isn't even close to the Eva. The Eva set on High Regen you rarely use your brakes, regen is 90% of your deceleration. The Eva has Brembo's if you don't like regen. The SR/F is lighter than the Eva and think it has a bit more range. The Eva has CCS charging, think 20-30 minutes compared to 1.5-2 hours charge time. The Eva is a bit larger physically so it may fit you better depending on your size.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 09:25:47 AM »

Whelp...after test riding the SR/F, Eva 107, and EsseEsse9...

I decided to get the EsseEsse9. Out of the three, the riding position on the SS9 fit me the best. As much as I wanted to stick with the SR/F in the long run I know I’ll be more comfortable on the SS9.

I’m taking a little bit of a gamble regarding the warranty and a little higher maintenance requirements over the SR/F but as others have said the fit and finish of the Energica is noticeably better.

On my ride back from the dealer I roughly used 60% charge to go 30 miles so while the range isn’t what I would have preferred (round trip commute) it’s still enough to get me to or from work with room to spare. I’ll just have to charge at work and at home. At least the DC charging is useful...I had to charge up halfway home today and 30 minutes is a lot better than 3 hours although my daily routine will see me using level 2 at work and level 1 at home.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 11:35:53 AM »

Nice to hear, congrats! The riding position and the eagerness to steer into corners of the Esse are the best features of the bike and IMHO important ones if you commute on it. Do you have a paddock stand with it?
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 02:33:30 PM »

Not yet. I need to pick one up sometime soon. I still need to get rid of a couple of old stands (Ducati Diavel and HD FatBoy) I have in the garage though so I’ll have storage space for the Esse’s stand.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2019, 02:09:40 AM »

Hey congrats there BigPoppa for sure get what you will ride the most.
Plus the Esse Esse 9 seat is Notoriously BIG.    8)
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2019, 09:46:59 AM »

So cool! I got to play with the 2020 Esse Esse 9 this weekend at Corbin's. I think you may have the very first US model. The new traction control and cruise control look awesome. I can't wait to get one of my own.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2019, 05:43:35 PM »

That would be kind of cool if I did get the first one. Traction control and ABS were definitely must haves for me with the kind of torque these bikes put down. It’s the reason I waited for the dealer to get their 2020’s in before test riding them.

I have to be honest, I went into the dealer visit fully expecting to not be impressed enough to cancel my SR/F order but when I saw the bikes in person, especially the blue EsseEsse9 I was stunned. Pictures of these bikes don’t do them justice. I understand now why Energica owners talk about fit and finish. There’s just no comparison.

After riding it around this weekend I’ve grown to like the “louder” running sound, I feel like it helps me to get more in tune with what the bike is doing.

I do have a bit of range anxiety still but having used the DC fast charging twice now tones that down a bit.

Overall, I’m satisfied with my decision to switch to the Energicas.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2019, 07:55:39 PM »

So cool! I got to play with the 2020 Esse Esse 9 this weekend at Corbin's. I think you may have the very first US model. The new traction control and cruise control look awesome. I can't wait to get one of my own.

II saw one on the showroom floor at CalMoto in Mountain View, CA last month. They have been steadily selling Energicas from their primarily BMW dealership for the past two years.
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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 09:56:01 PM »

Congratulations on your new bike!  Morgan's comment on you possibly having the first EsseEsse9 in the US got me wondering how many Energicas are on the roads in the US currently.  I've only seen a few Zeroes in the wild and don't expect to see another Energica for a long time. 

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Re: High mileage Energicas
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 11:39:27 PM »

Thanks...other than postings in other forums indicating that there are other Energica owners in the Bay Area, to date I haven't seen any others on the road since they've been on the market.

In all fairness, most of my riding is the daily commute, I don't do as much leisure riding these days as I used to. My gut tells me I may be the exception rather than the norm for using an EV motorcycle for a long (38 miles each way) commute but I could be wrong. The only Zeros I see are at my office and it's one (used to be 2). I haven't even seen a Zero on the road during my commute.
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