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[DaveinFL]

The seat/tank is kinda of weird and can't image riding something with that much torque!
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[Moto7575]

So if you accelerate to much you end up sitting on the wheel ?

[Richard230]

So if you accelerate to much you end up sitting on the wheel ?

And get a bad case of butt burn. 

[NEW2elec]

I'll take a bit more normal for my bike but the specs are amazing.  I'll say in 2 years electric beats all gas bikes in every thing but range.

[wavelet]

I'll take a bit more normal for my bike but the specs are amazing.  I'll say in 2 years electric beats all gas bikes in every thing but range.

Unfortunately, that's pretty much the only criterion that matters for most non-commuting or non-trailbike uses.

[NEW2elec]

If these new batteries can give 4X then it can win that too.

I wonder if all these people who want to do and really do do these very long weekend rides do so out of habit.
I've never done it.  It seems like it could be fun but my little 1-2 hour rides on my back roads are so relaxing I wonder if ICE riders can even imagine how nice that is.  I feel like they need to invest a whole day to riding 5-6 hundred miles to justify having the bike.

I don't know why but it seems to be a recurring demand from riders that makes it a deal breaker for them if they can't ride like they do their
old bikes.  As you get older a nice hassle free shorter ride is more realistic than a 1000 mile endurance test.
Maybe it can do all things well soon enough but I wish people would challenge their norms and enjoy the better smoother ride as a good trade off for weekend touring.

[Doug S]

I feel like they need to invest a whole day to riding 5-6 hundred miles to justify having the bike.

I wouldn't go that far, but it definitely seems like they're over-concerned about the 2% use case and under-concerned about the 98% case. Or, maybe they just don't ever ride their bikes except for joy rides. I know we have about five bike owners here at work, and only two of us ride to work more than maybe once or twice a month. The two of us, however, ride essentially every day we can. I don't understand why you'd have such a killer commuter machine and leave it parked in the garage.

I don't know why but it seems to be a recurring demand from riders that makes it a deal breaker for them if they can't ride like they do their
old bikes.  As you get older a nice hassle free shorter ride is more realistic than a 1000 mile endurance test.
Maybe it can do all things well soon enough but I wish people would challenge their norms and enjoy the better smoother ride as a good trade off for weekend touring.

I think you hit the nail on the head there, too. People need to be open to newer, different solutions that might be better than what they've always done, but maybe in ways they're not expecting. Evaluate both the pluses and minuses before dismissing it because "it won't do what I want it to do". Maybe "what you want it to do" needs some re-examination.

[wavelet]

If these new batteries can give 4X then it can win that too.

I wonder if all these people who want to do and really do do these very long weekend rides do so out of habit.
I've never done it.  It seems like it could be fun but my little 1-2 hour rides on my back roads are so relaxing I wonder if ICE riders can even imagine how nice that is.  I feel like they need to invest a whole day to riding 5-6 hundred miles to justify having the bike.

I don't know why but it seems to be a recurring demand from riders that makes it a deal breaker for them if they can't ride like they do their
old bikes.  As you get older a nice hassle free shorter ride is more realistic than a 1000 mile endurance test.
Maybe it can do all things well soon enough but I wish people would challenge their norms and enjoy the better smoother ride as a good trade off for weekend touring.

I'm scratching my head here.
Most people in developed countries live in metro areas (that is, either dense cities or  suburbs close to them); there are no rideable backroads near to where I live. The nearest fun roads without very heavy traffic are ~80-100mi of what we call here "administrative" riding (each way), and that's the case for pretty much everyone in my country and most of the population in many others.

My ideal day ride on a weekend would be ~200-250 miles of twisties & sweepers; since I like to combine rides with visiting historical or other sites of interest, the ideal day trip would be ~8 hours, only 4-5 of which would be actual riding.
However, there's no choice but to add ~3 hours & 200mi of admin riding to that, making it a long day overall. That requires decent AER as well as decent charging rates.

[NEW2elec]

I'm in the southern US and was speaking of other U.S. riders that have stated on other articles and video comments that they ride that kind of mileage on the weekend and would never go electric for that reason.

I see so many used gas motorcycles for sale that are 7-8 years old and have 3-4 thousand miles on them and I just wonder why.  I'm coming up with a few ideas of either a fear of riding or it's just not enjoyable enough for them to do more than once or twice a month like Doug said.

The noise and vibration and I think the constant thought that every mile puts you closer to maintenance and the cost, time, and hassle just keeps the miles down.  This isn't all bikes or bikers for sure but I see too many low mileage bikes to have no reason why.

[Richard230]

I'm in the southern US and was speaking of other U.S. riders that have stated on other articles and video comments that they ride that kind of mileage on the weekend and would never go electric for that reason.

I see so many used gas motorcycles for sale that are 7-8 years old and have 3-4 thousand miles on them and I just wonder why.  I'm coming up with a few ideas of either a fear of riding or it's just not enjoyable enough for them to do more than once or twice a month like Doug said.

The noise and vibration and I think the constant thought that every mile puts you closer to maintenance and the cost, time, and hassle just keeps the miles down.  This isn't all bikes or bikers for sure but I see too many low mileage bikes to have no reason why.

Well, in my case, I ride six motorcycles at least once a week, so the mileage on each bike does't add up as quickly as if I was only riding one. In an extreme case, I have a friend with 23 ICE motorcycles that he says he manages to ride at least once a month to get the oil and gas circulating.  All of my motorcycle riding friends own more than one motorcycle - with the exception of my youngest brother who only owns one bike.  My daughter and her husband own six, three each.  Their two daughters though, have no use for motorcycles or cars, for that matter. So there goes the end of that motorcycle-owning dynasty.