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[protomech]

Subtract out:
Direct Charging a Tesla (at 120,00 watts) recovers 170 miles in 1/2 hour

Because just over 5% of Tesla miles are accountable to Supercharging.

Looks like most of those trips are just going out to check out the SuperChargers (if google trip blogs are anything to go by).

About 15% of total Model S miles in the last year are on the Supercharger network, and about 10% of all Model S miles ever are supercharged.

I need to break out those stats, but that's based on every bit of public info I've found.

I think when the Model 3 arrives, with somewhat shorter range, it may increase to around 20% or so. People will still mostly charge overnight at home - particularly if Tesla implements a derating policy for local owners - but long trips are where people put miles on.

But you may be right that the Supercharger network is still somewhat novel, and people are surely taking long trips for the hell of it.

[MegaJustice]

Congrats on the bike. It's certainly something. Wow, does it get attention. Plus, riding through the French countryside was amazing. I took the S through horse trails and really challenged it and me. I'm seriously considering selling my other bike now. No rush but realize I love getting on the Zero and it made riding even more fun.

[ctrlburn]

Stats I found was 5.5% - as last year stats.

http://insideevs.com/5-model-s-miles-supercharged-miles

But why would I keep hunting when I found stats that agreed with my point?

So it climbed to 8%
http://insideevs.com/share-of-supercharged-miles-for-tesla-model-s-increased-from-5-to-8/

Now it is and impressive 86 million free miles... but I am missing the total miles...that you must have found to get 15%.
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla-now-has-2000-superchargers-which-have-powered-86-million-electric-miles.html

But it takes a very particular driving situation to take advantage of these devices. Yes there is one within a 100 miles of me at a shopping center, so if I owned the mall I could quick charge whilst picking up my money... but if I worked a shift at the mall.. Tesla gets mad and send letters to people who "over use" the stations by parking too long.

A driving situation in which a Tesla became more viable because it had a scattered faster charging capacity over a Zero which charges (for a few more months) at any outlet but takes longer can exist.  We must presume Camosoul has this situation... however the post is scant on the details of the predicament. 

Few of us are touring long range electric as a career. Few of have such a long commute for too short of a shift period of time that Level 1 charging at destination isn't viable.  (basically driving over 60 miles for a 6 hour shift).

[Killroy]

I was holding off to see the 2016 specs...

So, let me get this straight. The main batter got almost unnoticeable larger, but now costs $3000.

I can pay extra for a tank accessory to charge better, but then I have two on-board chargers on a very space-limited vehicle that technically doesn't need either of them because the motor controller's regen circuit could be used... and if I do that, I lose the option to pay extra for more battery... Golly, if only I could find a way to give Zero more money for another bad idea...

Oh, and that tank accessory won't even be available until March? And it'll be incompetent stealership-installed? It's like they're allergic to learning...

In March, Tesla announces and begins taking deposits for the Model 3. For the price, it'll be a much, much better deal for the money than the Zero S. Yeah, the Tesla will cost more, but I'll also get a heckuva lot more for it...

Sorry Zero, you really got it all upside-down and backwards, while also costing way more money than it's worth even when compared to a notoriously expensive luxury car company! They have batteries 6x larger that charge in an hour!

I guess the money I was saving for a Zero will be spent on the Tesla instead. By the time it actually ships, I'll be able to buy it outright with cash. I'll just keep riding my busted bobber rat bike until then...

I'm ruling out camosoul

[Doug S]

.. Tesla gets mad and send letters to people who "over use" the stations by parking too long.

I guess I'm not terribly surprised nobody's challenged that attitude by Tesla, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time. From everything I've read, there's no verbiage about the frequency you're allowed to use the superchargers, so Tesla has no legal leg to stand on in insisting anybody should do it less often than they are.

[benswing]

Tesla gets mad and send letters to people who "over use" the stations by parking too long.

I believe the issue wasn't that Tesla owners were parking too long, but a very select few are charging daily using the superchargers instead of charging at their houses.  Basically using a loophole to get free electricity on Tesla's dime every day instead of using them as they were intended, for free electricity occasionally on long trips. 

[dkw12002]

Stuff like this is not going to help sell electric vehicles. The infrastructure is not there in many areas. Add to that the problem of them not working or not being available when you want them and that is more than reason enough to not own an electric vehicle you have to charge anywhere but your own home. Seems like a business opportunity for a big oil company like Exxon, Shell, etc. to add charging stations to their service stations where they can be maintained and monitored 24 hours. Just charge whatever you need to recoup your investment. If someone pays out $150,000 for a car, they aren't going to quibble about $20 to recharge their car.

[benswing]

Stuff like this is not going to help sell electric vehicles.

What stuff?

Right now most people can use electric vehicles for 90-95% of their needs.  When fast charging is available (CHAdeMO, CCS, Tesla Supercharger) then EVs meet 100% of most people's needs, and only a small percentage would need a gas vehicle for going deep into the woods.  Rarely do people need to charge away from home, and it is only crowded in a few locations in CA.  There will be growing pains, but I know a lot of people who drive LEAFs, BMW i3s, Honda Fit EVs, Ford Focus EVs, Teslas, etc. and they love their cars! 

I'm interested to see what happens with the DigiNow charger.  If it can do everything Electric Cowboy says it can do (connect to any voltage and amperage to charge up to 1C), then the next iteration will allow faster charging and we will have the range and ability to ride with gas bikes as far as you want (with a little planning ahead).  This is not "pie in the sky"devices that take decades to make, this is what we will probably see in a few months.

[Rhamphorhynchus]

1C may be your lot for current gen Zeros if this comment from LFP is anything to go by https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=73601

[benswing]

Yes, we can charge up to 1C currently.


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[Rhamphorhynchus]

So that's not going to change "in a few months", is it? Or did I miss something?

[mrwilsn]

So that's not going to change "in a few months", is it? Or did I miss something?

I think what benswing meant is that the Zero battery pack is already capable of 1C but there aren't any good solutions to provide that rate....until the DigiNow super charger starts to ship to customers late next month.

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