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[Richard230]

As you know, Zero's loose their resale value faster than most other vehicles (you know the reasons why).  That suggests to me that they would make great motorcycles to learn how to ride on safely.  Without a clutch or transmission, the new rider would be able to concentrate on actually riding and observing the traffic and obstacles around them. They would also make a good vehicle for taking the DMV riding test.  Plus, the lack of needed maintenance means that (if they still run) a Zero should be in good condition compared with some other used IC motorcycles usually purchased by new riders.  The value of 2011 and 2012 used second or third-hand Zeros purchased from a private owner are probably getting down to the $2000-$4000 range now, which puts them in the price area that might interest a new rider if they didn't know anything about motorcycles and just wanted something easy to ride and maintain.

[Cortezdtv]

All my novice rider friends love riding my zeros but you have to out them on a 13xu or newer in my opinion

The throttle response is much better and the 12s have this snappyness( especially the dirt bikes x/mx )    Granted it would be somewhat hard to whiskey throttle the 2011-2012 s bikes It always pains me to watch someone new getting dragged across the lawn or dirt or pavement like a sack of potatoes.....but he'll I'm a sick fuckas long as it's not s girl I laugh too.

[Burton]

Is it still easy to detune older zeros torque values? If so they could have even greater value since you could nerf the power of the bikes in mass.

Wonder how much the 2013 11.4's will go for in 2 more years if the 2011 are 4k ... if they drop down this low I might pick up a couple for side projects lol

For me I see a huge value in zeros as starting bikes but part of me thinks someone should be getting use to a clutch right from the start so long as they plan on riding non-electric bikes and they have previous experience on a bicycle. I could see a zero being used to get people use to the weight before shifting to the ICE bike but proper clutch control is a very important skill to learn if you plan on riding a bike with a clutch.

I still practice in a parking lot really slow speed maneuvers with my ICE bike to maintain these skills as well as emergency stop procedures. With the zero the slow speed maneuvers are pretty easy especially when you add in coasting as default and a regen (read foot brake) lever.