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camosoul

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Quick Charger, again...
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:05:10 PM »

http://www.tdk-lambda.com/products/sps/catalog/eng/fps.pdf

Notice the part number explanation at the top-right of the first page.

It comes in 3KW?!

Seems, so does the meanwell... But only up to 24V... Still reading...

I'd like to see Doc's opinion...
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 12:02:47 AM »

not sure about that
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Up to 3000W (3 units) in 19"rack
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/FPS300048%2FP/FPS300048%2FP-ND/3985327

I believe this just means you can put three in parallel ...
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 02:47:22 AM »

I'd like to use three 3 kW Chargers together for charging with 9 kW.
Up to now i found these chargers:
http://www.lowcarbon-idea.com/eshowshop.asp?/16.html

In general it must be possible to charge with 10kW on a Zero S 2013 because they use this with Cademo charging full in one hour, while the external charging input is limited by the 30 Amps fuse. Has anyone seen how the Chademo Kit will be hooked up to the bike? Is it only connected directly to Battery and CAN Bus?
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 03:40:46 AM »

Hooking up the CHAdeMO takes about 8 hours or so according to my dealer. Guessing it is a fairly complex process. I am waiting for the CHAdeMO kit to be available for the 2014 SR. Hopefully soon!
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 03:51:48 AM »

Morimaxx how much are those and what is the input current at 230v? You might not be able to power all three by one J1772.

ultarnr I can't see it taking 8 hours to install it even if they had to drop the battery case to do it :/ I imagine they have to set up something to switch the bike into charge mode (close contactor), since they can't use the anderson connector pins 3/4, and then wire the output through the controler B+/- terminals ... but that is just me making some SWAG.

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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 04:36:56 AM »

Burton,

I hope you are right more than you can imagine. The Zero manual say it takes about 8 hours and my dealer is thinking it might take them 2 days. Not a cheap install.

Morimaxx, Remember that most J1772 only go to 6.6KW. There are a few that go to 7.7. But some may go a lot lower than 6.6. I have not had good luck with anything on the Blink network as far as power levels go.  But part of L2 charging is exploring different charging stations and seeing which ones have the most power. ChargePoint stations have been really good at allowing me to charge with 6300 watts.
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 06:24:24 AM »

These Lambda are only 1000W and goes  3000W when 3 stack together in parallel.)

The Meanwell i'm using are 2000W and really outpyt 2200W DC each.

My setup draw from 28 to 30.5A on the L2 J1772 on the 235Vac and draw from 23 to 36 on the L2 charger that are connected to the 208Vac.

I just made a ride this weekend to the Mt Washington to go to the Alternative Energy event and i can say that i really like my quick cahrger 6.6kW !!

that is a total of 850km. I also connect the original zero cahrger to teh 240Vac when it's a L2 that can take 40A and up so this add 1000W more for a total of 7.6kW DC to the battery.

it take about 1h30 to go from 10% to 95% SOC. on my 13kWh actual setup

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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 11:05:24 AM »

My brain skips over DC Input values on stuff like this, but I just realized;

Quote from: meanwell spec sheet
Input: 90 ~ 264VAC    127 ~ 370VDC

127 to 370VDC... Do I have to pick some smaller range and they're just telling me everything, or does it really handle this massively variable input?

Did I just find a 2KW High Voltage Photo Voltaic Charge Controller for a big ol' bank of LiFePO4s? Oh baby... I could switch to the Zero and have full solar charging... All DIY, no guvjerks involved forcing me to do it all screwed up and backwards to make them happy...
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 11:10:47 AM »

not sure about that
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Up to 3000W (3 units) in 19"rack
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/FPS300048%2FP/FPS300048%2FP-ND/3985327

I believe this just means you can put three in parallel ...
Weak. Almost had me going by displaying it as a part number...
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Re: Quick Charger, again...
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 04:03:31 PM »

I forgot to mention that I live in Germany and we have either Type2 Plug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_62196#Type_2 or a CEE Plug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60309 available, both often as 3 phase version with at least 16 Amp per phase. So I could get 11 kW from such a 3phase capable socket.
The bottleneck here is the charger.
We have only a few DC Charging stations here, most are AC, so I'll need an onboard charger.

For the 3kW charger I found there was no price listed. It should draw 13,5 Amp at 230 Volt.
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