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protomech

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Re: Two identical Zero DS 2012s, sorta
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2014, 02:27:22 AM »

As far as why zero doesn't ship with fairings, I totally agree with you that it doesn't add up.

My guess is that 1) the list price of the bike is already very high, and they didn't want to drive it any higher by including any hardware they didn't have to

No reason they couldn't offer the fairings as a dealer-installed kit option, similarly to the power tank battery module.

Suppose handwave that a slipstreamed Vetter-type fairing costs $3000 installed and improves 55 mph range by 30%, and 70 mph range by 40%, then we have the following configurations:

S ZF8.5: $13k, 64 miles @ 55 mph, 53 miles @ 70 mph
S ZF11.4: $15k, 85 miles @ 55 mph, 70 miles @ 70 mph
S ZF8.5 Vetter: $16k, 83 miles @ 55 mph, 74 miles @ 70 mph
S ZF14.2: $17.5k, 106 miles @ 55 mph, 88 miles @ 70 mph
S ZF11.4 Vetter: $18k, 110 miles @ 55 mph, 98 miles @ 70 mph
S ZF14.2 Vetter: $20.5k, 138 miles @ 55 mph, 123 miles @ 70 mph

Ignoring the improvements in riding comfort, charging speed, high-speed acceleration and top speed, I think you need at least 10 kWh onboard (ZF11.4) before the Vetter fairings start to beat adding additional battery modules in terms of range / $ performance.

I'm just guessing at the range improvements .. Terry says his 5 module 13.2 kWh "ZF-18" gets 125-150 miles of range at 70+ mph, which puts it in the ballpark of 100 Wh/mile. I don't know if a 2013-2014 bike would be more efficient; I think Terry is running the smaller rear sprocket on his 2012, which I think is part of the significant improvement in 70 mph efficiency.

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Re: Two identical Zero DS 2012s, sorta
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2014, 12:46:13 AM »

I doubt that Zero will offer streamlined motorcycles because that are simply ugly( to most potential customers). 

It is hard enough for many riders to get past the electric differences let alone shaping it like a rain drop at an increased cost.   

For most riders a slipstreamer is not what they want in a riding experience, range be damned. 
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Re: Two identical Zero DS 2012s, sorta
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2014, 09:53:35 AM »

I agree with the previous statement by WindRider

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Re: Two identical Zero DS 2012s, sorta
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2014, 05:40:14 AM »

Results from the 2014 Vetter Challenge.

Dr. Goff did pretty good. Went 139 miles on a charge completing most of the challenge.
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