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Author Topic: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?  (Read 2958 times)

electrictwowheeler

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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2024, 09:30:39 AM »

If you can tap into another phase, you could run an aftermarket external 3000 watt charger through the brown Anderson connector
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2024, 11:12:14 AM »

Technically you can run another 57 amps through it. However I don't know how the Charge Tank connects to the bike's charging harness. Does it go directly into the controller? If it does you're fine. Just remember there's a 100 amp fuse in the charging harness so you need to split the charge between controller and charge harness.
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2024, 06:50:31 AM »

Be careful doing that, especially if you are pushing over 100 amps total.  One loose connection, or wiggle of something and resistance goes up a few ohms on the wire and it can shift your current over to the harness and pop that fuse.

Maybe a clamp on when you do start charging to get a quick idea how much power is going up each arm?

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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2024, 07:12:51 AM »

Well obviously because 57+ 57 = 114. If the Charge Tank goes directly into the controller lugs it bypasses the charge fuse and is therefore not an issue. The fuse itself is heat-based and wrapped in insulation, so I'd never put more than 65 amps through it to start with.
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2024, 11:54:48 AM »

Well, That is a consideration, you don't want to blow that fuse. I have a 2021 SR with charge tank and I have used that and a 3000 watt charger running through the Anderson connector. The charger is a CC CV power supply limited to 3000 watts input max and 25 amps output max and 116 volts. I have only tried it once for a short time but it seemed to work.
Back to the post though. My understanding is that the posters charge tank is being limited to half power so another 3000 watts would be equivalent to the charge tank working at full power, would it not?
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2024, 12:51:19 PM »

I don't really care at this point. What I will tell you is the the 11kW EU AC stations are 3 phase meaning 11/3 = 3.67kW. If they want to get full power of their Charge Tank off EU AC they need to find a 22kW station where each leg is 22/3 = 7.3kW.
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2024, 12:03:22 AM »

I used 3 elcon chargers, and the onboard charger; which gave me about 10kW.
It worked fine at the charging stations in the Netherlands.
Did use all the three phases on the charging station. And added another charge connector on the bike which connected to the Battery via the SEVCON + and - terminals.
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2024, 01:26:24 AM »

That sounds like a nice solution, Victor. Do you have link to where that setup is explained? With schematics and stuff like that. I see Elcon 6,6 kW is available at Ali at ouch price. 3,3 at little bit less. 
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2024, 04:50:03 PM »

This charging cable setup is what I've decided to go with for now to try to get 6 kWh charging.
Does anyone know where I can find description for converting the ChargeTank to Type 2 Mennekes connector? So I can skip the adapter.

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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2024, 05:38:47 PM »

The fact that Zero didn't go with Mennekes outside of the US is so stupid. This is a good conversion kit, not only does it swap out the connector but it can also add the onboard charger to the same connector.

https://eauto.si/metron-shop/product/zero-dsr-type-2-upgrade-kit/
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2024, 06:06:49 PM »

Thank you.
I looked at that earlier. It's 500 euros without shipping. With them seeming to be UK based I'd have to add tolls and taxes on top. I did check in their German store, but search there found no parts for Zero.
Ali has a nice connector that is little cheaper. https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007051350104.html? I'll probably go with that and try to 3D print some adapter to mount it with. It would be nice if someone has done it so I can avoid some of the possible issues.
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Re: Fast charging options for the GEN2 platform in 2024?
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2024, 08:08:14 PM »

I'm not sure what you saw but they're based in Slovenia, don't know if that means you wouldn't have to pay any extra. Personally I'd rather have a solid metal bracket than 3D printed plastic, it's going to see a lot of use and a fair amount of force inserting the connector (and if someone should accidentally knock it or the cable, or be an arsehole and try and pull it out so they can use it).
« Last Edit: July 31, 2024, 08:10:03 PM by TheRan »
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