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[jotjotde]

We all know there is stuff out there which is semi-true or even totally made up.

But according to this article, the claim of fast-charging was proven in real life already. So maybe this time we can expect something commercially available within the next 2 years.
The 35 kWh battery they used would be quite ideal for application in a motorbike.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9dp3ye77do
https://nyobolt.com/resources/news/nyobolt-ev-sportscar-prototype-takes-ultra-fast-charging-out-of-the-lab-and-onto-the-road/

[princec]

Questions over longevity and the general availability of 400kW chargers remain.

Cas

[MVetter]

This is so cool! Yet ANOTHER breakthrough in battery technology that I will literally never hear anything about ever again.

[Specter]

Sounds more like a super cap than a battery but either way it'd be nice.
The problem is gong to be still,  getting the electricity TO it.  so lets take a truck with a what 200 kw pack in it?  To charge in 5 minutes you'd like have to hit it with a megawatt of power.  For a 500 volt battery, that is like 2000 amps.  The wiring would be huge and heavy.

Picture an interstate charging station needing enough electricity to run a steel mill.   What is the C rate on it, and god help you when that thing shorts out in an accident!

Aaron

[Stonewolf]

What's the battery longevity like (it's a race car, you can just throw it away between races)?
What's the thermal management system like (this is where bikes really suffer)?
How exotic is the battery chemistry (rarity/price/ethics/production)?

[jotjotde]

Probably having seen so many (false) claims of technological breakthrough made you all hardcore sceptics 

I must admit, having read this statement of BMW, you seem to have a point. I suspect BMW having a good overview about what is really possible on the market.
https://thepack.news/bmw-motorrads-ceo-markus-flasch-says-electric-motorcycles-arent-ready-to-compete-with-ice/

[princec]

The BMW guy seems, I dunno, a bit ignorant of what's actually possible? The reason the CE-04 hasn't exactly flown off the shelves is that it is priced at exactly twice what it's worth, for example. It'd be nice to attribute that to the apparent enormous cost of batteries except for the fact that the battery was already developed, and costs remarkably little compared to just 5 years ago. My SR/F takes care of 99% of my biking needs, which are largely utilitarian and pleasure riding, and I was entirely happy paying the premium for it when it came out. If BMW made a serious competitor to the SR/F I'd be all over it. Even just the CE-04 with 50% more battery and faster charging would get me.

Cas

[Specter]

BMW is just sour grapes because they really don't have anything to really compete yet.
If cycles were not ready then why is Ducatti dumping $$$ into making one then?

Aaron

[princec]

BMW are one of those companies which has been deliberately trying to sabotage efforts to EV transitioning in a reasonable timeframe, with all sorts of twisty turny excuses, hand-wringing, whataboutery, "won't somebody think of the shareholders", etc. TBH fuck those guys. They'd rather watch the world burn to sell a few more cars.

Cas

[jotjotde]

They'd rather watch the world burn to sell a few more cars.

Don't expect drug dealers to switch to selling herbal tea 

The same is valid for Ducati then. They have actually an electric motorcycle developed (and racing in the MotoE) but still hesitating to market it, allegedly because of insufficient battery technology. Sounds a lot like what you wrote about BMW.

Maybe the consumer side is part of the problem. In a black&white view I would say it's either old men refusing new technology (loud pipes save lifes) or young people open for new things but without the money for a e-motorcycle.

[Stonewolf]

BMW is actually my current favourite to bring out a solid state bike once the cells (which are currently in low volume production) make it to mass production. Being a major auto manufacturer gives them the volume and clout to get hold of the cells and making the CE range now is giving them the electric experience to know what they need to make. I don't think anyone else really has that combo:

• Ducati perhaps with MotoE and being owned by Volkswagen but every press release on EVs contradicts whatever the last one was
• Honda and Suzuki's auto divisions are stuck in the absolute kicking and screaming mode of the Japanese auto industry WRT EVs and neither shows much interest in EVs in the moto field either
• Harley don't have an auto business
• Kawasaki are in a bunch of fields but don't have an auto business and also their commitment to EVs is yet to be proven
• Energica, Zero, and the other startups don't have the kind of access to cell suppliers that a large auto maker would have and access to capital remains a question

[Specter]

That settles it then.
Ill have to invite Elon Musk for a day out on the track then, let him have a romp around and see how fun the bikes are, and then segue into asking him about providing batteries for Energica  to be able to bring their prices down.  A win win for all !  Maybe between the two of them I can get them to custom build me a 200 + HP bike that'll do 200 + on the track! 

Aaron

[ESokoloff]

That settles it then.
Ill have to invite Elon Musk for a day out on the track then, let him have a romp around and see how fun the bikes are, and then segue into asking him about providing batteries for Energica  to be able to bring their prices down.  A win win for all !  Maybe between the two of them I can get them to custom build me a 200 + HP bike that'll do 200 + on the track! 

Aaron

I wouldn’t bet on Tesla to make a 2 wheeler anytime soon.

https://youtu.be/yREEEJanyAA?si=I77AdplN4movd1PV

[CagivaRider]

Ducati is getting big bucks and lots of publicity for its MotoE bikes. from MotoGP They are an improvement from the Energica bikes, but not really made for the street. They only have to go seven laps ... at 100% power!

I hope you are all watching MotoE and letting MotoGP know it is a fun class to watch.