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[Richard230]

Sometime around 2016 or 2017, my multi-brand Zero dealer, Mission Motors, in Daly City, CA, folded. What finally drove them out of business is that one year they sold more Zeros than Yamahas and Yamaha got really pissed off (something on the order of their heads exploding). Yamaha unilaterally canceled the shop's franchise and then there started a series of expensive lawyer fights. The dealer claimed that in 2016 Yamaha sent them bikes that their customers didn't want to buy. Eventually, the shop owner couldn't take the legal stress and lawyer fees any more. All she wanted to do was to sell motorcycles. Eventually she closed the business, sold the property to a Dollar Store and retired with a bunch of cash in her pocket (I assume - she was at a prime retail location).

My point in telling this story is maybe A&S wasn't selling enough bikes to meet Energica's requirements and that is why they (apparently) canceled their franchise agreement. 

[DonTom]

Sometime around 2016 or 2017, my multi-brand Zero dealer, Mission Motors, in Daly City, CA, folded.

I used to go there often, mainly for parts for my 1984 Venture. They didn't sell Zeros back then, but that was many years ago and I don't think Zero back then even existed.


But yeah, the Energicas were not selling at all in the Roseville area. I bought one and they shipped oen up north since then. So they sold two Energicas in the year and that was all. 


I was told it was a mutual agreement between A&S and Energica for A&S to no longer try to unload Energicas.


BTW, I was once told their BMW electric scooter was a fairly hot seller there at A&S.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Richard230]

Here is a photo of the price tag for a BMW CE4 scooter that I took at A&S about a year ago. I like the 5-year emissions warranty. Nice touch. 

[DonTom]

Why isn't their emissions warranty for 100 years?


BTW, Tesla has a section for emissions. You select it for the type of fart sound you want at any seat.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Zekoslav_Mrkva]

What I would like to know is who I should blame, Energica or A&S?  I purchased the bike at A&S, but they say Energica took back their FW updating equipment so Energicas can no longer be serviced at A&S cycles.  That's pretty bad that A&S  cannot service a new bike they sold me 13 months ago with a simple FW update.


Is Energica's service going way downhill?



BTW, in case anybody was wondering why I waited so long, there were two reasons.  At first, the bike was in Reno and a ton of snow over the summit so I could not get the bike here.


By the time the weather got better,  my best friend in Reno was having serious health problems and I had to help him out in many ways. He died last week, so now I have a lot more free time to stay here in Auburn and get things like the bike FW done--I thought.


Next closeted is Livermore, CA. But I hear they cannot do a FW update while waiting, so that involves two people for a 270-mile (435 km)  round trip.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

When I got my initial 500 mile service at Calmoto in Livermore a few months ago, they did the FW update as well.  It took about 3-4 hours.  I brought a book and waited across the highway at Starbucks.

[DonTom]

When I got my initial 500 mile service at Calmoto in Livermore a few months ago, they did the FW update as well.  It took about 3-4 hours.  I brought a book and waited across the highway at Starbucks.

Perhaps I will give them a call in a couple of days and see if I can take a ride to Livermore to get it done while I wait.


I have ridden down there on my 11.7 KWH SS9 before. It should be an even easier ride on my Experia.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Motoproponent]

I dropped in on the service center in south san francisc with a box of donuts for my FW43. I had already gotten the 600 mile service at CalMoto a few weeks before. I wanna say it was about an hour.

But I live about 25 miles away, so if they hadnt gotten to it i would only be put out a box of donuts and an hour round trip.

Im sure they are all about Stefano Mesa right now and supporting Tytler's Cycle, but maybe you can get an appointment there?

[DonTom]

I dropped in on the service center in south san francisc with a box of donuts for my FW43. I had already gotten the 600 mile service at CalMoto a few weeks before. I wanna say it was about an hour.

But I live about 25 miles away, so if they hadnt gotten to it i would only be put out a box of donuts and an hour round trip.

Im sure they are all about Stefano Mesa right now and supporting Tytler's Cycle, but maybe you can get an appointment there?

I already got my update on my Experia to 43. I went back to my Reno house the other day and I had a message on the LL there from A&S that they discovered they had another cable because of another Energica they already had in the shop. They also told me they would only have the cable for a few more days. So I rushed back here to Auburn within a half hour of getting to Reno.   The next day (Friday) I had to get the Experia there and did. Snow was coming to the summit the next day (yesterday). I now have my Experia back here in Auburn with the 43 update. BTW, I still got the "key not in range" message on the way home with the new 43 update with the key fob in my right pocket.  But I now see the heated handgrips on the main menu as well as it saying " FW version 43" in "about". So the update was completed. The update gives no clues on how long it will take, shows no percentages done or anything like that. Took a couple of hours or so, I was able to wait for it.


I now have my 2020 Esse Esse 9 there for the same update. I could not pick it up yesterday in the pouring rain, so I pick it up on Tuesday.


After I get some miles on my Experia and try a fast charger in Yuba City, CA  that did not work at all before the update, I will do a new comparison between my Zero DSR/X and Enegica Experia. Even though it was a little disappointing to see the "FOB  not in range" message just after the update on the way home, I will need to see if all the other countless bugs I had with my Experia are now gone which will take at least a few hundred miles to know for sure.



I don't really care much if it works better with the Magic Docks because there are NONE in the entire state of NV and here in CA they are all in useless locations next to real CCS. But I will try it out in Placerville anyway, as before it would only charge there at around 8 KW.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[weck]

That's kind of funny, I was driving home from the race track today and someone was trailering 2 Experia's behind what looked like a converted like cargo van.  They were heading towards jax, but we were a ways out so they could have turned off at any spot to go elsewhere.  Really wish I knew where they were from as it'd be nice to find other E bikers around.

The charging does make it a pain for all the EV's, and the economy going to shit and talks of a world war / civil war absolutely are NOT helping any sales or service.

You mentioned going to a tesla type sales model, where you order it direct and kind of cut out the dealers but they will still need service, software updates, some warranty work, stuff like that.  Still going to need someone to do maintenance on them.   Tesla has shops all over to fix stuff don't they?  Energica not so much, and it's appearing the rest of the e bikers, not so much either anymore.

Hopefully things settle down soon because right now nobody can really afford big loans, the banks are NOT giving out loans to less than almost perfect people for what they essentially will consider to be a 'toy'.  and the ones who can afford them, have already got their toys or are running scared too to see what is going to happen.

All this shit, China war, EMP taking down the grid,frying your bike / car. bla bla woof...that shit adds up to drive people away.

Aaron

That was likely Rick and his wife, they picked up the first two Experias in the US at the CA HQ and rode them back to FL.  I know they have some sort of Sprinter for camping and trailer the bikes for destination riding.

https://www.instagram.com/energicamotorcompany/p/C4LYv1ggAqz/

[MVetter]

Stealth camping sprinter van. Just put hard hat and hi-vis jackets in the front seats and you can park anywhere!

[Specter]

Cool, nice to know there are others in the area.  Now that racing / track season is taming down in florida a bit, Ill have to kick the welder in the ass to make my rack for the top of the trailer and get my stuff going.  Robling and Carolina Motorpark, here I come,  and Taledega and and and...

Aaron